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To me, it’s not that it weighs too much, it’s the awkwardness of the weight with the autoformers making it unbalanced. It’s like some of the old big tube TV’s where all the weight was in the front due to the glass. I had a Mitsubishi 40” tube tv back in the early 90’s which was huge in the day. Moving that by myself was impossible, but then again, it weighed over 290 lbs with the weight all at the front. My roommate at the time and I carried that TV up to our house which was 100 stair steps to the front door from the street. What a pain.
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I made the mistake of trying to move my MC462 alone... I came with in an inch of probably throwing out my back.. much easier with two!
Seriously. My MC302 is "only" 98 pounds and that thing is impossible for me to move on my own especially since unlike the MC462 it doesn't have any handles to hold on to.
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I just took an MC2500 yesterday to be serviced. No problem handling it myself. 129lbs
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I just took an MC2500 yesterday to be serviced. No problem handling it myself. 129lbs
Your name Magnus Samuelsson by chance?
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Lol - nope. I have six of these ... so ...
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Looking for user experience - reviews on the MC12000. There must be some out there in use!

Want to replace MC611+C1100 4 pieces with this one piece.
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Old 01-24-2021, 10:03 AM
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Audio Excellence posted their review on Friday.

https://youtu.be/xUKz4gXJwKc

I received my MA12000 and SabrinaX’s last week, and they are still breaking in. I can’t speak to how they compare to the MC611s or C1100. But I replaced a D’Agostino Progression Stereo Amp, Denafrips Terminator DAC, and MiniDSP Studio SHD with the MA12000 and love it! Soundstage is big with pinpoint imaging, and amazing detail. I did downsize my speakers at the same time from Yvettes to SabrinaX. I’ll give those a shout out as well; every bit as good if not better than the Yvettes! I don't feel the MA12000 is lacking in anyway. If you are looking for a one box solution, it's hard to beat.
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Audio Excellence posted their review on Friday.

https://youtu.be/xUKz4gXJwKc

I received my MA12000 and SabrinaX’s last week, and they are still breaking in. I can’t speak to how they compare to the MC611s or C1100. But I replaced a D’Agostino Progression Stereo Amp, Denafrips Terminator DAC, and MiniDSP Studio SHD with the MA12000 and love it! Soundstage is big with pinpoint imaging, and amazing detail. I did downsize my speakers at the same time from Yvettes to SabrinaX. I’ll give those a shout out as well; every bit as good if not better than the Yvettes! I don't feel the MA12000 is lacking in anyway. If you are looking for a one box solution, it's hard to beat.
knecht, Great choices and decision. Mac and Wilson are a great combo. I can attest to that. Mac bass is perfect for Wilson speakers. I don't want fat loose bass but I want natural bass that is not over damped. The bass must be ample.

Before going with my D1100 I had a C1000 pre and a MCD1100. Most DAC's that function as pre's sound worse without a pre. Not so with the D1100. So I was able to greatly simplify my signal path.

Simplification of signal path is always desirable. I don't see the weight or the weight distribution an issue of significance. The autoformers are essential to the Mac smooth rounded detailed sound.

I grade Mac/Wilson as essentially neutral but with a significant touch of romanticism. Virtually everything you play through it sounds pleasing with zero harshness, yet with a satisfying amount of resolution and beautiful soundstage.

That's the kind of system that pleases me and it's the most beautiful gear to boot. Absolute congratulations! I think Mac will sell a ton of 12000's.

Best

Charles

p.s. love to see pics

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Most recent updates: AQ Diamond USB replaces AQ Coffee; Wilson Audio Specialties Alexx replaced by Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic; new subwoofer crossover; new Galaxy Grey Thors Hammer; Wilson Pedestals
Amps: McIntosh 1.25KW’s (3) set on floor on custom made cultured marble slabs
Preamp and DAC: McIntosh D1100
Sources: McIntosh MCD1100 SACD player, MVP881 BR player, MVP851 DVD player, MR87 tuner, Marantz 510LV Laser Disc player, ASUS laptop USB (JRiver Media Center 23)
Speakers: Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic
Sub-woofer: Wilson Audio Specialties Thor’s Hammer (1) horizontal lie and Wilson Watch Controller (abbr: WC)
Cables main system: Audioquest Wel Signature speaker cables and balanced IC (preamp to amps); Wel Signature AES/EBU balanced digital IC for CD playback; Audioquest Diamond optical (1) for tuner, (1) for BR player, and (1) for LD player for total of (3); Diamond USB cable; McIntosh MCT cable for SACD playback; Dragon power cords (5 HC cords and 3 source cords for total of 8); Thunder HC power cord for tuner; cables for DVD player not listed
Cables subwoofer system: Audioquest Redwood speaker cable (1); Wolf balanced subwoofer IC from WC to amp; Wind balanced IC from preamp to WC; Hurricane HC (2) and Dragon HC (1) power cords
Power conditioners: Audioquest Niagara 7000 (1) and Niagara 5000 (3); (4) dedicated 20-amp lines with no. 10 wire straight out of fuse box
Isolation: Wilson Pedestals
Cabinet: Double Custom Woodwork & Design (CWD) solid walnut cabinet on large casters; holds all sources and preamp; also, Niagara 7000; 11 feet minimum distance from speakers
Acoustic Treatments: Room and Echo Tunes
AC: Dedicated to this room only, an ultra-high efficiency and quiet recently installed Ruud split system 3-ton heat pump.
Room (mancave): 40’L x 15.5’W A-frame; max ceiling height 8’ min 5’; wall within wall construction built of 2 x 6’s; built over garage with custom hardwood floor with gym seal with over 40 Lowes stiffened wooden I-beams supporting floor; complete isolation from rest of house.

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I received my MA12000 last week.........
Nice system.
Did you stick with the DA1 digital module or upgrade to the DA2?
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knecht, Great choices and decision. Mac and Wilson are a great combo. I can attest to that. Mac bass is perfect for Wilson speakers. I don't want fat loose bass but I want natural bass that is not over damped. The bass must be ample.

Before going with my D1100 I had a C1000 pre and a MCD1100. Most DAC's that function as pre's sound worse without a pre. Not so with the D1100. So I was able to greatly simplify my signal path.

Simplification of signal path is always desirable. I don't see the weight or the weight distribution an issue of significance. The autoformers are essential to the Mac smooth rounded detailed sound.

I grade Mac/Wilson as essentially neutral but with a significant touch of romanticism. Virtually everything you play through it sounds pleasing with zero harshness, yet with a satisfying amount of resolution and beautiful soundstage.

That's the kind of system that pleases me and it's the most beautiful gear to boot. Absolute congratulations! I think Mac will sell a ton of 12000's.

Best

Charles

p.s. love to see pics

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Charles Updated System: Wilson McIntosh Audioquest
Most recent updates: AQ Diamond USB replaces AQ Coffee; Wilson Audio Specialties Alexx replaced by Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic; new subwoofer crossover; new Galaxy Grey Thors Hammer; Wilson Pedestals
Amps: McIntosh 1.25KW’s (3) set on floor on custom made cultured marble slabs
Preamp and DAC: McIntosh D1100
Sources: McIntosh MCD1100 SACD player, MVP881 BR player, MVP851 DVD player, MR87 tuner, Marantz 510LV Laser Disc player, ASUS laptop USB (JRiver Media Center 23)
Speakers: Wilson Audio Specialties XVX Chronosonic
Sub-woofer: Wilson Audio Specialties Thor’s Hammer (1) horizontal lie and Wilson Watch Controller (abbr: WC)
Cables main system: Audioquest Wel Signature speaker cables and balanced IC (preamp to amps); Wel Signature AES/EBU balanced digital IC for CD playback; Audioquest Diamond optical (1) for tuner, (1) for BR player, and (1) for LD player for total of (3); Diamond USB cable; McIntosh MCT cable for SACD playback; Dragon power cords (5 HC cords and 3 source cords for total of 8); Thunder HC power cord for tuner; cables for DVD player not listed
Cables subwoofer system: Audioquest Redwood speaker cable (1); Wolf balanced subwoofer IC from WC to amp; Wind balanced IC from preamp to WC; Hurricane HC (2) and Dragon HC (1) power cords
Power conditioners: Audioquest Niagara 7000 (1) and Niagara 5000 (3); (4) dedicated 20-amp lines with no. 10 wire straight out of fuse box
Isolation: Wilson Pedestals
Cabinet: Double Custom Woodwork & Design (CWD) solid walnut cabinet on large casters; holds all sources and preamp; also, Niagara 7000; 11 feet minimum distance from speakers
Acoustic Treatments: Room and Echo Tunes
AC: Dedicated to this room only, an ultra-high efficiency and quiet recently installed Ruud split system 3-ton heat pump.
Room (mancave): 40’L x 15.5’W A-frame; max ceiling height 8’ min 5’; wall within wall construction built of 2 x 6’s; built over garage with custom hardwood floor with gym seal with over 40 Lowes stiffened wooden I-beams supporting floor; complete isolation from rest of house.
Thank you, Charles. A few years a ago, I owned the D1100 and MC452 and it was a great combination. I’ve owned a lot of gear over the past 5 years, including PSA BHK300’s, PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium HP’s, D’Ag Progression, and Benchmark AHB2’s with various Preamps PSA BHK, C2300, PrimaLuna Premium Preamp, ARC LS28. All I can say is the MA12000 is a keeper. McIntosh and Wilson pair very nicely! Before buying the MA12000, I considered the D’Agostino Progression Integrated and Vinnie Rossi L2i SE. I really liked the Vinnie Rossi, but heard through the grapevine they are going a different direction.

I will post some pics soon. I’m still waiting for my cables and it’s a little messy right now.
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