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I just lost my update that I spent a hour writing. I know I should have copied it in case the system logged me out. |
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I hate it when that happens! Of course, with my typing speed, I would have only gotten three lines done in an hour.
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I spent about an hour earlier today updating this thread and lost all the info when I went to post it. The system had logged me out. I should know to always copy it to the clipboard in case I have to paste it back after I get logged in.
The bottom line is I have not made a decision as to whether I will keep the unit or not. Just to summarize what has been going on. I ran thru the Room Correction set up for the third time today. If you are following this thread plus Ivan’s Cape Cod thread you will know his Room Knowledge was up to 99%, whereas I stopped at 94% on my first go on Friday and reached 96% yesterday. Since I had a marked change in bass correction between my first two attempts, I decided to repeat the process today. So this morning I cleared the stored filters and started all over. Today I did something different from the my first attempts and it was quite apparent that it impacted how the unit accumulated Room Knowledge percentages. The first action is to place the mic at the listening position and adjust the output of the MEN-220 until it is correct and the unit tells you to move to the first location. In my first two attempts I left the mic in the seating position and collected the first sample for the unit. I think this is why Room Knowledge was about 88% after just one measurement. Today I collected my first sample high and to the left and after one measurement I was at 55%. As I moved the microphone around I jumped to about 75%, 88%, 90%, 94%, 96% and ended at 98%. What am I now hearing? Well, not a lot. I played a lot of familiar tracks today and kept trying both the Focus and Group modes, then Bypassing the unit altogether. I used tracks with female vocals, male vocals, violin, drums, guitar, sax etc. With the unit in play I heard a bit better bass. The vocals seemed to separate themselves a bit from the mix. Now, the vocals seemed to have some noise around them that I do not think is there in ByPass, but that could be because it was hidden in the mix. If you just walked into the room it is unlikely that you would be able to say whether the unit was in the loop or not unless you picked up on the improved bass and that was not on every track. Even while I was writing the original post, I could not tell you whether the unit was in Focus, Group or Bypass without looking at the display. I went back to the dealer who provide the unit and we talked for about an hour. I am going to try a couple of other things before I make a decision. First I borrowed a Transparent Super Balanced interconnect to drop in place of a Tributary I had laying around. (I sold all my Analysis Plus when I switched to Transparent Ultra). Second, I think I am going to try just a couple of readings mainly around the seating position to see what happens when I am not trying to average out the entire room. (I think this was Serge’s suggestion) Will I get improved bass but keep the smooth vocals where I have them without the MEN-220? Sorry about the quality of the pics. I was in too much of a hurry. Last edited by Still-One; 02-15-2010 at 10:51 PM. |
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FWIW, the first reading in my exact listening spot yielded 55% Room Knowledge.
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I wonder how much the design characteristics of the MBL might factor in to the effectiveness of the MEN220. Ron C. did say that different speakers and rooms might be more/less affected by the MEN. I would guess that the Quads, line arrays, front firing etc. would all react differently.
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Since the MX150 is built to handle surround sound, I would assume the Room Correction process should be able to handle all of the basic effects of any 2 channel system. Last edited by Still-One; 02-15-2010 at 10:54 PM. |
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