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What you need is a good reference recording, so you know what is suppose to be happening with that recording only. Once you have that, it really does not matter because everything is tuned in. Then you will hear the difference's in recordings, good or bad. Pick something with female vocals or male, the voice should be dead on center, something like Pat Benetar's "In The Heat Of The Night" LP. That will help you with imaging. Pick something that you are very very familiar with, also helps. Some Led Zepplein is also a very good recording to help out with. Each album sounds different for the most part, once you dial your speakers in you should be good to go for the most part.
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Also, for the most part the speakers should disappear.
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Carpet can help with high frequency issues, but isn't thick enough to absorb low or mid frequencies very well (shag carpet might have some effect on mids). Carpet will deaden a room very fast and can lead to an even WORSE sounding room than before. Bass problems are the most detrimental in a room, as certain frequencies "ring" out in the room (modal resonance / standing waves, SBIR, all exhibit this behavior). Deadening the high end with thin absorbents like carpet and foam will only dampen the high end making your treble decay times MUCH shorter than your bass, which can result in an even more uneven sounding response. If you've ever been in a room that has too much thin absorption, its extremely uncomfortable. Quote:
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--------- I realize I was being a bit strong with some of the wordings here but there were a lot of very common myths posted in this thread, and I wanted to be sure no one is going to end up investing in the wrong products and waste their money. I'm also writing an article on decay times as we speak - so be on the lookout for that. Hopefully, it should clear up confusion on bass traps vs acoustic panels vs foam and all the other types of treatment available (and where and why they should be used). If anyone is wanting to quantify their room response by the way, feel free to do so with REW. You can check out our video on it here: Room EQ Wizard Tutorial - GIK Acoustics
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Alexander, thanks for the replies. I trust what you are saying and am committed to getting this problem addressed Givem my room size and layout what GIK products should I begin with. Especially on the wall with the closet doors not to mention the back wall with the entry door.
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Don,
I use GIK products in both my music rooms. The hardest one to get right has been my small room which is about the same size as yours. Listen to Alexander, you are treating the room to hear the speakers. If you don't get the room right nothing will sound very good.
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To be general we usually suggest treating corners with bass traps and panels at the first reflection points to start, but a room can be treated many different ways to your own liking. For instance, some people use diffusion in many areas in the room as opposed to absorption pending their preference. If you'd like, you can contact us directly and we can get you personalized recommendations, along with 3D renderings of the room showing placements, etc. You can use the form on our website here: Acoustical Room Advice - GIK Acoustics (The form simply helps us stay organized, but don't be afraid to just send any of us an e-mail at any time if you're so inclined)
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As usual I ended up researching myself and doing it myself. I'm sure there's lots of room for improvement. You guys have a lot more options in the U.S. for professionals Oh... Of course its not exciting to spend money on... You can't plug it in and play with it... despite it making those toys sound better
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I've always wondered why acoustics can be so "misleading" and "salesman" like (and I do agree it is certainly like that with a lot of companies!!). It never made sense to me, as I sort of always understood the importance of lab testing on products like these. Your post has made me realize though that people really don't understand how important a lab report is. Many people do just like you've said - build absorbers out of common materials. Of course this will work, but to what extent, how professional they will look, what the other options are, how much it really saves you (if any), are all sometimes ambiguous questions (and there should never be such ambiguity when trying to decide on a product that has quantifiable properties!!) Maybe we should write an article on our website about testing!
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I'm all for acoustic treatment, but to do it without being in the room and listening I'm sceptical.
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Why exactly? Of course a "in room" analysis would be idea. Keep in mind that common room surfaces have a fixed range of acoustic properties (carpet, sheet rock, etc.) and once the dimensions are known the rooms analysis can be done (or so I believe).
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