DAG Momentum Stereo or Jeff Rowland 725's?

[jazzhead]

Originally Posted by joeinid

I believe a factory retrofit. Maybe running 2 stereo amps might be an even better proposition.

From the Hi-Fi Critic review:The internal build of the mono and stereo amplifiers
is very similar and a stereo unit can quite quickly
be converted to the 300W/ch monoblock if
future upgrading is required; simply some wiring
changeover, a new meter and a rear terminal pane

[turntable]

CC

From the tone of your posts, It sure does sound like you want to buy the Rowland monoblocks, regardless of feedback on the Momentum- so go for it.

Make sure you post pics and let us know how they sound.

Cheers

[ChisChas]

Originally Posted by turntable

CC

From the tone of your posts, It sure does sound like you want to buy the Rowland monoblocks, regardless of feedback on the Momentum- so go for it.

Make sure you post pics and let us know how they sound.

Cheers

I am equally taken with both options but it has been very useful to involve other enthusiasts in a discussion.

Jeff Rowland is so unknown in the UK whereas we all know about Krell and its famous ex-designer!

I know that the Momentum is defo a win win purchase but the JR 725's are a bit of an unknown so no decision made yet but fantastic that there is a viable choice which must be healthy for us enthusiasts.

There is no discussion on price in the UK with the Momentum but the UK importer of JR and one of his dealers are keen to see more JR products sold in the UK and a market profile developed so are accordingly more flexible on price.

The UK importer of Momentums is hard nosed in his approach to pricing and has a mighty grip on his dealers and I need to feel a little more comfortable with this prior to purchasing a Momentum.

I might feel inclined to purchase the JR 725's partly to teach him a wee lesson about being too hard nosed during a global recession

[bart]

Originally Posted by ChisChas

I might feel inclined to purchase the JR 725's partly to teach him a wee lesson about being too hard nosed during a global recession

I hope you don't regret this afterwards...
It would turn out to be a lesson for both of you then...
Good luck in your audio journey!

[asiufy]

ChisChas,

There are other options out there, you know
You don't have to buy the JR stuff just to spite the D'Agostino dealer...
Since we're all stating preferences here, I haven't heard either amp, but if I were to chose and buy without listening, I'd go for the D'Agostino.


alexandre

[Still-One]

Originally Posted by ChisChas

I am equally taken with both options but it has been very useful to involve other enthusiasts in a discussion.

Jeff Rowland is so unknown in the UK whereas we all know about Krell and its famous ex-designer!

I know that the Momentum is defo a win win purchase but the JR 725's are a bit of an unknown so no decision made yet but fantastic that there is a viable choice which must be healthy for us enthusiasts.

There is no discussion on price in the UK with the Momentum but the UK importer of JR and one of his dealers are keen to see more JR products sold in the UK and a market profile developed so are accordingly more flexible on price.

The UK importer of Momentums is hard nosed in his approach to pricing and has a mighty grip on his dealers and I need to feel a little more comfortable with this prior to purchasing a Momentum.

I might feel inclined to purchase the JR 725's partly to teach him a wee lesson about being too hard nosed during a global recession

There is no reason to purchase any audio product if you are not comfortable with the pricing. I would rather see people develop a relationship with their dealer(s) and feel they received the pricing, attention and service they deserved.

[ChisChas]

Originally Posted by Still-One

There is no reason to purchase any audio product if you are not comfortable with the pricing. I would rather see people develop a relationship with their dealer(s) and feel they received the pricing, attention and service they deserved.

Jim

You've said it so much better than I did

I just don't feel entirely comfortable paying the full retail price for an expensive bit of hi fi during the worst global recession since the 1930's.

The fact I am cash heavy, own a mortgage free London house and have no debts or borrowings should not mean that there is no movement in the recommended retail price.

It is indeed how NOT to build a long term relationship with a customer.

I believe this is mainly led by a hard nosed UK importer who believes the price rigidity "protects" his brands and I fully accept that foolish levels of discounting does damage brand but as I've said several times in this thread, I'd have been happy with 10% off.

The ridiculous thing is that if I sell my current Leema Acoustics preamp (now boxed) & two Hydra 2 power amps privately, I have been told that I will still have to pay full retail for the Momentum!

Normally a cash buyer would get a better price than a part exchange buyer and indeed the Jeff Rowland dealer will sharpen his pencil a bit more if I'm a cash buyer.

[ChisChas]

Originally Posted by asiufy

ChisChas,

There are other options out there, you know
You don't have to buy the JR stuff just to spite the D'Agostino dealer...
Since we're all stating preferences here, I haven't heard either amp, but if I were to chose and buy without listening, I'd go for the D'Agostino.


alexandre

Alexandre

I don't want big floor mounted power amps so out goes the option of a pair of McIntosh 601's, out goes Fidelity kit which is enormous, out goes a pair of Pass Labs Class A 100.5's which I can buy competitively as demo amps and out go the pair of Karan 1200's being sold by sonrock on eBay and elsewhere.

Another appeal of the Momentum is its being one box but I have two neat monos now so two better neat monos don't worry me space wise.

The McIntosh UK importer (Tim Jordan of Jordan Acoustics) is great to deal with and would have loved me to have bought a McIntosh C500 valve preamp but I looked at these two very large boxes and thought 'no thanks' as any amp(s) would then have had to go on the floor.

Ironically, I bought the Jeff Rowland Corus from Jordan Acoustics who took in a new unopened Corus as px towards a major McIntosh sale but sadly he's not a JR dealer but I have now bought my MCD1100, Wilson Benesch ACT C60's and the JR Corus from him.

I don't want valve amps with revalving every two years or so no ARC amps and I don't want a clinical power amp(s) (my present Leema Acoustic Hydra 2's are described as organic).

The choice doesn't seem so big but I am always open to suggestions, Alexandre.

Quite honestly, no one would probably feel disadvantaged by either a pair of 725's or a Momentum so it's not a question of sacrificing to spite the Momentum importer.

Thanks for your input.

Charlie

[ChisChas]

The question I've been longing to ask is:

"How rigid on pricing are the American hi fi dealers on the purchase of a Momentum"

I don't expect information that my fellow AA members and their dealers wish to keep private & confidential but broad indications would help.

[Still-One]

Originally Posted by ChisChas

The question I've been longing to ask is:

"How rigid on pricing are the American hi fi dealers on the purchase of a Momentum"

I don't expect information that my fellow AA members and their dealers wish to keep private & confidential but broad indications would help.

We do not discuss discounts on the open site for many reasons, one it is prohibited. You should PM owners and even then answers will be ballpark only.