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P5 or P10
Any opinions as to whether p10 or p5 is more appropriate for my system, which consists of two McIntosh MC501 Amps and a McIntosh C48 preamp?? I read a statement from the CEO of PS Audio that the p10 sounds much better than the p5. Anyone have a chance to perform an apples to apples comparison of the two? Would the p10 be overkill or worth the extra money? Thanks in advance.
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p10, not p1. Sorry for the typo in the title. I can't figure out how to edit the title......
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Ivan FLORIDA MX136, MC1.2KW(10) MC2KW(2), MCD1100, MS750(2) MVP881, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, HT-2 SUBS(2) HT3F(2) WS350(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) XCS350(2) JL GOTHAM v2 SUBS(2) SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U 4K PROJECTOR, STEWART 120" MOTORIZED SCREEN, CINEMA-TECH SEATING, WW PLATINUM CABLES Reference System: ACCUPHASE A300 AMPS, C3900 PRE-AMP, DP1000 CD/SACD TRANSPORT, DC1000 DIGITAL PROCESSOR, DG-68 DIGITAL EQUALIZER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, PS1230 POWER SUPPLY, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, WW PLATINUM CABLES CAPE COD MX150, MC501(2) MC1.2KW(10) MC2301(2) MR88, MVP881, MCD1100, MDA1000, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, ESOTERIC K-01X 30th ANNIVERSARY (BLACK) SACD/CD PLAYER, G02-X CLOCK, HT3F(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) JL GOTHAM v2 SUBS(2) JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(4) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) KALEIDESCAPE STRATO & TERRA SERVERS 80-TB, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U 4K PROJECTOR, STEWART 120" SCREEN, SONUS FABER STRADIVARI, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, FORTRESS SEATING, WW PLATINUM CABLES Analog Rig: CLEARAUDIO INNOVATION WOOD, UNIVERSAL ARM w/ Da VINCI' CART, 2nd UNIVERSAL ARM w/ GOLDFINGER STATEMENT CART, HRS-MXR REFERENCE RACK-GLOSS BLACK w/ M3X SHELVES, AESTHETIX RHEA SIG PHONO-PRE, BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, WW PLATINUM CABLES Reference System: BURMESTER 911MK3 AMP(3), 088 PRE-AMP, 089 CD PLAYER, 100 PHONO PRE-AMP, 948 POWER CONDITIONER, ACCUPHASE DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, AVID ACUTUS REFERENCE SP TT, GRAHAM PHANTOM II SUPREME ARM, BENZ MICRO LP-S CART, GRANDIOSO P1X/D1X STACK, G1X RUBIDIUM MASTER CLOCK, N05 NETWORK PLAYER, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, SONUS FABER AIDA SPEAKERS, JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(2) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) WW PLATINUM CABLES Library System: GRANDIOSO M1 MONOBLOCK AMPS, C1 LINESTAGE PRE-AMP, K1X CD/SACD PLAYER, G1 MASTER RUBIDIUM CLOCK, E02 PHONO-PRE, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, AERIAL ACOUSTICS 20T V2, AERIAL SW12 SUBS(2), CANTON REF K1’s, VPI HRX TT w/ SDS POWER SUPPLY, ORTOFON CADENZA BLACK CART, KLAUDIO RCM, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2, SHUNYATA OMEGA QR’s, WW PLATINUM CABLES Esoteric/Bryston System: ESOTERIC C02-X PRE-AMP, P-02X TRANSPORT, D02-X DAC, G02-X CLOCK, BRYSTON 28B3 CUBED MONOBLOCK AMPS(4), BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2(2) EVEREST 8000 POWER CONDITIONER(2) ALTAIRA CG & SG HUBS, AMR-DP777-SE DAC, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, QUADRASPIRE RACK, WW PLATINUM CABLES Accuphase/Canton System: ACCUPHASE E800 INTEGRATED, DP570 CD/SACD PLAYER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, PS530 POWER SUPPLY, CANTON REF K3’s, CANTON REF K5’s, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS MXR REFERENCE MAHOGHANY RACK w/ M3X2 SHELVES, WW GOLD CABLES |
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Thank you!!
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P10
Lots of capacity for future growth, no under shot in current system. P10.
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bvlaw.......I think you would be safer in the long run to install the PS Audio P10 simply because of its higher current delivery capability. I believe the P5 will operate your sound system but there could be a possibility where some current limiting may come into play with the MC501's.
At one point after I first received my first PS Audio Power Plant Premier, the older brother of the P10, I powered my two MC501's with it along with the preamp and sources. The MC501's maximum current draw is 6.6 A at 120 volts, so the pair equals 13.2 A max current. The current draw for the remaining gear I owned at the time, a C1000C/P, MS750, MCD500, MR85, and Sonos ZP90 was 2 A. Powering everything, including the two MC501's would equal a maximum current draw of 15.2 amps, well within a 20 A dedicated circuit's ability to deliver current that the PPP was plugged into, although this equals 1824 watts which exceeds the PPP's 1200 watts maximum sustained output. Maximum load demand for this sound system was generally much less than that because the amplifiers were rarely pushed to anywhere near maximum current demand, and it certainly would not be sustained. I tested the MC501 using an amp meter and discovered that with audio peaks at 300 watts output the MC501's current demand was peaking at 3.5 A. Multiply that times two for both amplifiers and I had a 7 A current demand for both amplifiers peaking 300 watts. That is well above my typical listening level. So, take the 7 A current reading for the pair of MC501's, add the preamplifier and source loads of 2 A, and I only needed 9 A to satisfy the current demands of the entire system's components, including both amps. This 9 A current draw equals 1080 watts, which was well within the 1200 watts continuous output capability of the PS Audio Power Plant Premier. I kept the 501's on the single PPP until I decided to purchase a second PPP just for the amps. That way I was able to keep both amps on a separate dedicated 20 amp circuit and the preamplifier and source components on their 20 amp dedicated circuit. Both the PPP and the P10 have the same 1200 watt continuous load rating. The P5 has a 1000 watt maximum continuous load rating. Judging from the gear you said will be powered by the newer PS Audio AC regenerator, I suspect the P5 can and will work, but I still recommend the P10. Power reserve is a good thing, even in an AC regenerator.
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I agree, the P10 will run cooler, longer, and sound better with all your gear vs a single P5
Remember, there is very special pricing for AA Subscribers.
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Ivan FLORIDA MX136, MC1.2KW(10) MC2KW(2), MCD1100, MS750(2) MVP881, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, HT-2 SUBS(2) HT3F(2) WS350(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) XCS350(2) JL GOTHAM v2 SUBS(2) SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U 4K PROJECTOR, STEWART 120" MOTORIZED SCREEN, CINEMA-TECH SEATING, WW PLATINUM CABLES Reference System: ACCUPHASE A300 AMPS, C3900 PRE-AMP, DP1000 CD/SACD TRANSPORT, DC1000 DIGITAL PROCESSOR, DG-68 DIGITAL EQUALIZER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, PS1230 POWER SUPPLY, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, WW PLATINUM CABLES CAPE COD MX150, MC501(2) MC1.2KW(10) MC2301(2) MR88, MVP881, MCD1100, MDA1000, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, ESOTERIC K-01X 30th ANNIVERSARY (BLACK) SACD/CD PLAYER, G02-X CLOCK, HT3F(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) JL GOTHAM v2 SUBS(2) JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(4) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) KALEIDESCAPE STRATO & TERRA SERVERS 80-TB, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U 4K PROJECTOR, STEWART 120" SCREEN, SONUS FABER STRADIVARI, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, FORTRESS SEATING, WW PLATINUM CABLES Analog Rig: CLEARAUDIO INNOVATION WOOD, UNIVERSAL ARM w/ Da VINCI' CART, 2nd UNIVERSAL ARM w/ GOLDFINGER STATEMENT CART, HRS-MXR REFERENCE RACK-GLOSS BLACK w/ M3X SHELVES, AESTHETIX RHEA SIG PHONO-PRE, BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, WW PLATINUM CABLES Reference System: BURMESTER 911MK3 AMP(3), 088 PRE-AMP, 089 CD PLAYER, 100 PHONO PRE-AMP, 948 POWER CONDITIONER, ACCUPHASE DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, AVID ACUTUS REFERENCE SP TT, GRAHAM PHANTOM II SUPREME ARM, BENZ MICRO LP-S CART, GRANDIOSO P1X/D1X STACK, G1X RUBIDIUM MASTER CLOCK, N05 NETWORK PLAYER, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, SONUS FABER AIDA SPEAKERS, JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(2) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) WW PLATINUM CABLES Library System: GRANDIOSO M1 MONOBLOCK AMPS, C1 LINESTAGE PRE-AMP, K1X CD/SACD PLAYER, G1 MASTER RUBIDIUM CLOCK, E02 PHONO-PRE, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, AERIAL ACOUSTICS 20T V2, AERIAL SW12 SUBS(2), CANTON REF K1’s, VPI HRX TT w/ SDS POWER SUPPLY, ORTOFON CADENZA BLACK CART, KLAUDIO RCM, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2, SHUNYATA OMEGA QR’s, WW PLATINUM CABLES Esoteric/Bryston System: ESOTERIC C02-X PRE-AMP, P-02X TRANSPORT, D02-X DAC, G02-X CLOCK, BRYSTON 28B3 CUBED MONOBLOCK AMPS(4), BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2(2) EVEREST 8000 POWER CONDITIONER(2) ALTAIRA CG & SG HUBS, AMR-DP777-SE DAC, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, QUADRASPIRE RACK, WW PLATINUM CABLES Accuphase/Canton System: ACCUPHASE E800 INTEGRATED, DP570 CD/SACD PLAYER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, PS530 POWER SUPPLY, CANTON REF K3’s, CANTON REF K5’s, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS MXR REFERENCE MAHOGHANY RACK w/ M3X2 SHELVES, WW GOLD CABLES |
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bvlaw.......Here are the actual specifications for the PS Audio P5 and P10 AC regenerators.
P5 Specs: Dimensions 17” W x 14” D x 4” H Weight 37 lbs. Nominal Input Voltage 95-145 (US) 200-285 VAC (Europe/Asia) Maximum Continuous Load 1000VA (US) 1500VA (Europe/Asia) Maximum Peak Load 1200VA (US) 1800VA (Europe/Asia) Dynamic Power Delivery 0.5 second> 3600VA 9US) 5000VA (Eur./Asia) Voltage Regulation +/- 0.5V (US) 1Vac (Europe/Asia) Output Distortion Input 220-240VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.9% Output Distortion 230V 240VAC 1200VA Reactive Load <0.9% Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.5% Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 12000VA Reactive Load <0.5% Output Impedance <0.0015 Ohm Noise Reduction (all zones) 100KHz-2MHz >80dB Efficiency @ 1200VA Resistive Load > 85% Reactive Load > 85% Input Frequency 45-56Hz Under Voltage Limit Continuous= -10% of setting, 15 Sec Duration= -15% of setting Over Voltage Limit Continuous= 5% of setting, 15 Sec Duration= 10% of setting Protection Modes L-N, L-G, N-G Energy Dissipation 2440J (US) 3670J (Europe/Asia) Peak Current Surge 144,000A (US) 84,000A (Europe/Asia) Max Surge 6,000 Volts Clamp Level 330V (US) 800V (Europe/Asia) Telco Protection 320 Joules 395 volts Coax Insertion loss <1dB P10 Specs: Dimensions 17” W x 14” D x 8.5” H Weight 73 lbs. Nominal Input Voltage 95-145 (US) 200-285 VAC (Europe/Asia Maximum Continuous Load 1200VA (US) 1800VA (Europe/Asia) Maximum Peak Load 1500VA (US) 2000VA (Europe/Asia) Dynamic Power Delivery 0.5 second> 3600VA (US) 5000VA (Eur./Asia) Voltage Regulation +/- 0.5V (US) 1Vac (Europe/Asia) Output Distortion Input 220-240VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.9% Output Distortion 230V 240VAC 1200VA Reactive Load <0.9% Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.5% Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 12000VA Reactive Load <0.5% Output Impedance <0.0015 Ohm Noise Reduction (all zones) 100KHz-2MHz >80dB Efficiency @ 1200VA Resistive Load > 85% Reactive Load > 85% Input Frequency 45-56Hz Under Voltage Limit Continuous= -10% of setting 15 Sec Duration= -15% of setting Over Voltage Limit Continuous= 5% of setting 15 Sec Duration= 10% of setting Protection Modes L-N, L-G, N-G Energy Dissipation 2440J (US) 3670J (Europe/Asia) Peak Current Surge 144,000A (US) 84,000A (Europe/Asia) Max Surge 6,000 Volts Clamp Level 330V (US) 800V (Europe/Asia) Telco Protection 320 Joules 395 volts Coax Insertion loss <1dB DC Trigger configured Tip Positive DC Trigger Voltage 5-15 volts dc
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Jdandy- thank you so much for the detailed responses. You are truly an invaluable asset to this forum. I appreciate your helping me to understand the various considerations in choosing the appropriate unit for my specific equipment.
Masterlu- I will be in touch with you soon (probably in about a month) when I am ready to make a purchase. Thanks again. |
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Dan STUDIO - McIntosh C1000C/P, MC2301 (2), MR88, Aurender N10, Esoteric K-01X, Shunyata Sigma spdif digital cable, Sonos Connect, PurePower 2000, Stillpoints, Furutech Flux 50, Michell Gyro SE, Michell HR Power Supply, SME 309, Ortofon Cadenza Black, Wireworld, Sonus faber Amati Anniversario LIVING ROOM - McIntosh C2300, MC75 (2), MR85, Magnum Dynalab 205, Simaudio MOON Neo 260D-T, Schiit Audio Yggdrasil, Aurender N100H, Shunyata Sigma USB cable, Micro Seiki DD40, Ortofon Cadenza Blue, Nakamichi BX-300, Sony 60ES DAT, PS Audio P10, Furutech Flux 50, Sonos Connect, Stillpoints, Wireworld, Kimber, PMC EB1i, JL Audio f113 VINTAGE - McIntosh MA230, Tandberg 3011A tuner, Olive 04HD, Sony DTC-59ES DAT, McIntosh 4300V, JBL 4312A |
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