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Old 04-29-2020, 11:29 AM
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What about DoP (DSD over PCM) on sacd players?
I do not know of any that will do it.
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Old 04-29-2020, 01:51 PM
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What about DoP (DSD over PCM) on sacd players?
An OPPO 103 /203 with Audiopraise Vanity card can decode SACD and send out DSD to any DSD capable DAC. They can also playback DSD64 files. I owned both units and they worked very well.
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Old 04-29-2020, 05:46 PM
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The only way that I know of to do this is to either (1) rip the DSD to DSF files and play those back via JRiver, Roon, Audirvana, etc. or (2) get a D-BOB to take the HDMI feed from a player and output DoP* over coax to your DAC/player.



D-BOB review in May Stereophile.



*DoP = DSD Over PCM.


Hi Kal,

I recently acquired the DBOB and am very pleased with its performance for the price, even with an inexpensive hdmi cable (from oppo 203 to DBOB) and an equally inexpensive optical cable from the DBOB to a TotalDac d1-12 MkII dac.

My interest in getting the DBOB was to use the oppo203 for musical bluray discs (and SACDs - My Kalista transport doesn’t okay SACDs) through the higher performing HDMI out while keeping the TotalDac for playback.

So far I’m pleased with the results and plan to upgrade the cables on the oppo-DBOB configuration and possibly even the oppo 203 itself.

My question is whether you were able to do an apples-to-apples comparison with the oppo UDP-205/DBOB combo versus an SACD transport, both playing an SACD disc and putting out a digital signal to the same DAC?

Thanks
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Old 04-29-2020, 08:01 PM
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My question is whether you were able to do an apples-to-apples comparison with the oppo UDP-205/DBOB combo versus an SACD transport, both playing an SACD disc and putting out a digital signal to the same DAC?
My report covers what I did while I had the unit. What sort of transport are you referring to that will output DSD over S/PDIF or USB?

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Old 04-29-2020, 11:43 PM
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My report covers what I did while I had the unit. What sort of transport are you referring to that will output DSD over S/PDIF or USB?

My current digital system, which is based on a high end CD-only transport (Kalista) feeding a fairly high end DAC (totalDac d1-12 MkII), provides a highly engaging and musical sound for my tastes.

But I do have a lot SACDs. So part of the reason for my question was that I was trying to determine whether it would be worthwhile to explore a high end SACD transport alternative to the Kalista. Or whether a fairly inexpensive Oppo/DBOB transport feeding a high end DAC would provide a reasonably priced, alternative to a higher end SACD transport feeding the same high end DAC. Especially, when the Oppo/DBOB already provides an excellent vehicle for playing BluRay music videos.

In my case, I have only been able to compare an Oppo 203 (SACD)-> HDMI->DBOB->Optical->totalDac d1-12 mkII combo versus a Kalista (CD only) transport->AES->totalDac d1-12 MkII; where the Oppo played the SACD layer and the Kalista played the CD layer of the same disc.

Although the Kalista/totalDac combo playing red book CDs was more refined than the oppo/DBOB playing SACDs, the latter was not far behind; and there is still room to improve its performance (the optical and HDMI cables used with the Oppo/DBOB were of much lesser quality, and the OPPO/DBOB is unmodified).

So when I was asking about an apples-to-apples comparison, I was curious if you had an opportunity to compare the Oppo/DBOB with any other SACD transports, especially higher end ones, that can output digital in resolution grater than 16/44 (either DSD/DoP or 24/192 PCM) where both transports were feeding the same DAC.

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Old 04-30-2020, 03:39 AM
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http://www.wadax.eu/?q=atlantis/transport

SACD RIP for qualified advanced users interested in research and the utmost finetuning, Atlantis system provides a unique SACD RIP feature for all kinds of optical media used. Ripping is done to a pendrive inserted at the back of the Transport. This feature is intended for research purposes and it is not available as standard. A special service code must be entered to enable this unique functionality.
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An OPPO 103 /203 with Audiopraise Vanity card can decode SACD and send out DSD to any DSD capable DAC. They can also playback DSD64 files. I owned both units and they worked very well.
The vanity card will not sent out a DSD signal, but does a "high level" conversion to PCM, that signal is sent out the DAC (88 or 176)
(the Oppo player has to be set to DSD in the Audio format menu, for the audiopraise to handle the conversion)

(HDMI DSD output from the Oppo player is possible, but I have never used it)

If you have found another way to sent a DSD signal from the audio praise card over the SPDIF connection, I am interested to know.
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http://www.wadax.eu/?q=atlantis/transport

SACD RIP for qualified advanced users interested in research and the utmost finetuning, Atlantis system provides a unique SACD RIP feature for all kinds of optical media used. Ripping is done to a pendrive inserted at the back of the Transport. This feature is intended for research purposes and it is not available as standard. A special service code must be entered to enable this unique functionality.

Gorgeous transport, but to sent out a DSD signal, you will need a Wadax DAC also(special connection, not SPDIF), it will not work with other DAC's.

The SACD ripping feature is very interesting.
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So when I was asking about an apples-to-apples comparison, I was curious if you had an opportunity to compare the Oppo/DBOB with any other SACD transports, especially higher end ones, that can output digital in resolution grater than 16/44 (either DSD/DoP or 24/192 PCM) where both transports were feeding the same DAC.
I don't see any point to comparing PCM to DSD. If there was "a high end SACD transport" capable of HDMI output, I do not of it.

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Ah. Never heard of it before. Might be of interest to some.

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The SACD ripping feature is very interesting.
And mysterious.

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Old 05-03-2020, 05:36 PM
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I don't see any point to comparing PCM to DSD. If there was "a high end SACD transport" capable of HDMI output, I do not of it.

Ah. Never heard of it before. Might be of interest to some.


And mysterious.

There’s also I believe the Metronome t/AQWO transport
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