Review of Tidal Sunray speakers from The Audio Beat...

[metaphacts]

Originally Posted by cmalak

Bill...I must admit I had not read the review yet when I had replied above. I had just assumed from the comments from ojdeteos and Jim above that he had not made a comparison at all in the review with his Maxx 3s. So I was making an argument on behalf of Marc for not comparing to the Maxx 3s but of course now that I have read the review now I know that he did make the comparison

I agree with most of your points above and I get your last point regarding diminishing returns as you go up in price point but all I meant by order of magnitude is not a 1:1 improvement in sonics commensurate with the incremental dollars payed (i.e., i did not mean I expect double the performance for a doubling in price but rather that there ought to be a noticeable improvement in sonics). Each person makes those tradeoffs (i.e., how much to pay for an increment in sonic improvement).

Cyril, diminishing returns is a very tough equation to evaluate because performance is never all that is involved. That's true with any product category we buy. For instance, if performance was all there was, there would be a car/price/performance hierarchy that everyone recognized. But wait. What is performance? What aspect of it matters most to the buyer? On AA alone we have Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren (ok it was a deposit), Porsche and Aston owners among others. Each has valid reasons for the product they chose and I guarantee they are not all pure performance. If the needs don't coincide, we get different choices. Value judgments are always in the eyes of the buyer. That's why the customer is always right - no matter how wrong he may actually be. As the old adage goes, You pays your money and you takes your choice.

But what I meant was not about diminishing returns. My comment was that there is no price range where an order of magnitude of improvement can or should be expected when the price is doubled. If you could get an improvement by a factor of 10, by definition an order of magnitude, double the price would be the steal of the century.

[cmalak]

Bill...I agree that performance is not the only parameter involved (there is aesthetics/visual appeal, there is brand loyalty, there is the pull of faddish popularism, there is price itself, etc...) in a purchasing decision, and that diminishing returns equation involves all these parameters. And even if we simplifiy the diminishing returns equation to just price vs. performance equation, your assessment of a particular piece's performance may and actually will likely be different from mine, so we get further complexity.

On the "order of magnitude" point, I hear you. I guess I used the wrong term. Correct, an order of magnitude difference is unreasonable to expect

Geez Bill - I have to be very careful in the use of language around you. You are a stickler for detail (and so you should be ).

[metaphacts]

Originally Posted by cmalak

Geez Bill - I have to be very careful in the use of language around you. You are a stickler for detail (and so you should be ).

Cyril, is that a nice way of saying I'm a pain in the a**?

[chessman]

Originally Posted by metaphacts

Cyril, is that a nice way of saying I'm a pain in the a**?

Yes ........



We love you anyway.

[metaphacts]

Originally Posted by chessman

Yes ........



We love you anyway.

We at least it took you 30 minutes to agree

[cmalak]

Originally Posted by metaphacts

Cyril, is that a nice way of saying I'm a pain in the a**?

Just saw this

No you are not a pain in the a$$

You are the Speaker Whisperer

[chessman]

Originally Posted by metaphacts

We at least it took you 30 minutes to agree

I would be happy just to learn half of what you have forgotten about audio.