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Shunyata Gemini
On my journey to 'simplify' as we prepare to move into our retirement condo, my system will consist of an integrated amp, DAC/streamer, CDP, Roon Nucleus & a pair of turntables. To simplify the power end of things, am looking at the Shunyata Gemini, which offers both power distribution & grounding.
Anyone have any experience with the Gemini? What do you think? Oops. I did not dig deep enough. I see Steven's thread on the Gemini. But, would be interested in any comments since that time. Another question comes to mind. Is the Gemini a capable surge-protector? If I use one do I need to bother with the Surge-X inline prior to the Gemini?
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Glenn... Canton Reference 9 Clearaudio SM Pro Focal Bathys JLA 10" Dominion Kuzma Stabi S w/MC & MM Magnepan 1,7i McIntosh MA8950 & MR88 Oppo 203 Roon Nucleus Rose Hifi RS150B Shunyata Gemini-4 Sony ST-A6B, TA-F6B, ST-J75 & PS-X75 Sorane SA1.2 & TA-1L Stillpoints LP1v2 WW Pt, Au & Ag Last edited by Formerly YB-2; 11-10-2023 at 07:48 AM. |
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Yes, the Gemini is an excellent surge-protector. Here are the specifications: Maximum Voltage: 90-125 VAC r.m.s. unregulated Input Current Ratings: Maximum Continuous Current: 20A Output Current Ratings: Max Current/Outlet: 15A Maximum Transient Protection: 40,000 A @ 8/50 μs Over-Current Protection: Hydraulic Electromagnetic Breaker Wiring System: Dual 12-gauge ArNi VTX Buss System Ratings: 600 V 105° C Noise Suppression: Input to Output (100 kHz – 30 MHz): > 24 dB reduction; zone-to-zone (100 kHz – 30 MHz): > 26 dB reduction Inlet: IEC C15 Outlets: 4 NEMA5-20R Isolation Zones: 2 zones Vibration Control: Vibration damping panels (internal) Shunyata Vibration Damping Footers Construction: Aluminum and steel chassis; anodized aluminum faceplate Dimensions (WDH): 12.25" x 5.88" x 4.77" Weight: 6.6 lbs. I'll just add that in addition to it's GP-NR functionality, it's an excellent-sounding power ditributor. It's NR is the same as the original Triton V1, which sold for 50% more 10 years ago. When I got mine, I used it for a couple weeks as the PD to power my main system (given I only have 3 powered components now in the main system) to run it in. And...for folks who have a music server networking set-up/closet, i.e., a "RSR" (remote server room), it's superb for that application, as well. Regarding the Surge-X, can't say specifically, but my guess would be no. Just use a good high-current PC to power it, e.g. Venom HC v2 or higher. If you use a higher-spec Shunyata PC than that, use an XC PC rather than an NR if possible. Also note that the Gemini-4 uses a C15 power cord, not a C19. The new Venom-X XC PC would be perfect, I'd think.... What integrated are you considering?
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Lumin P1 streamer/DAC/preamp, Constellation Inspiration integrated TT: Michell Gyro SE MkII, SME V, Koetsu Urushi Vermilion, EAR324. Harbeth 30.2s, REL R-305, Shunyata Alpha V2 ICs, Alpha V2 SPs, Sigma XC, Sigma NRv2, Omega QR-s & Alpha NRv2 PCs, segmented Altaira SG stack w/ Alpha & Omega CGCs, Everest 8000 PD. Remote Server Room: Uptone EtherREGEN, AfterDark Master Clock & LPS, Alita, Battle Angel, (Akasa NUC Roon Core), iFi DC Purifiers (for SMPS used for Alita & router), Shunyata Gemini combo power distributor & Altaira-type CG GP-NR hub, Venom & Alpha CGCs, Shunyata NRv14 power cords for digital components. Last edited by Puma Cat; 11-10-2023 at 03:01 PM. |
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I have 4 Gemini’s in use at this time.
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Ivan FLORIDA MX136, MC1.2KW(10) MC2KW(2), MCD1100, MS750(2) MVP881, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, HT-2 SUBS(2) HT3F(2) WS350(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) XCS350(2) JL GOTHAM v2 SUBS(2) SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U 4K PROJECTOR, STEWART 120" MOTORIZED SCREEN, CINEMA-TECH SEATING, WW PLATINUM CABLES Reference System: ACCUPHASE A300 AMPS, C3900 PRE-AMP, DP1000 CD/SACD TRANSPORT, DC1000 DIGITAL PROCESSOR, DG-68 DIGITAL EQUALIZER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, PS1230 POWER SUPPLY, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, WW PLATINUM CABLES CAPE COD MX150, MC501(2) MC1.2KW(10) MC2301(2) MR88, MVP881, MCD1100, MDA1000, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, ESOTERIC K-01X 30th ANNIVERSARY (BLACK) SACD/CD PLAYER, G02-X CLOCK, HT3F(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) JL GOTHAM v2 SUBS(2) JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(4) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) KALEIDESCAPE STRATO & TERRA SERVERS 80-TB, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U 4K PROJECTOR, STEWART 120" SCREEN, SONUS FABER STRADIVARI, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, FORTRESS SEATING, WW PLATINUM CABLES Analog Rig: CLEARAUDIO INNOVATION WOOD, UNIVERSAL ARM w/ Da VINCI' CART, 2nd UNIVERSAL ARM w/ GOLDFINGER STATEMENT CART, HRS-MXR REFERENCE RACK-GLOSS BLACK w/ M3X SHELVES, AESTHETIX RHEA SIG PHONO-PRE, BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, WW PLATINUM CABLES Reference System: BURMESTER 911MK3 AMP(3), 088 PRE-AMP, 089 CD PLAYER, 100 PHONO PRE-AMP, 948 POWER CONDITIONER, ACCUPHASE DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, AVID ACUTUS REFERENCE SP TT, GRAHAM PHANTOM II SUPREME ARM, BENZ MICRO LP-S CART, GRANDIOSO P1X/D1X STACK, G1X RUBIDIUM MASTER CLOCK, N05 NETWORK PLAYER, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, SONUS FABER AIDA SPEAKERS, JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(2) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) WW PLATINUM CABLES Library System: GRANDIOSO M1 MONOBLOCK AMPS, C1 LINESTAGE PRE-AMP, K1X CD/SACD PLAYER, G1 MASTER RUBIDIUM CLOCK, E02 PHONO-PRE, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, AERIAL ACOUSTICS 20T V2, AERIAL SW12 SUBS(2), CANTON REF K1’s, VPI HRX TT w/ SDS POWER SUPPLY, ORTOFON CADENZA BLACK CART, KLAUDIO RCM, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2, SHUNYATA OMEGA QR’s, WW PLATINUM CABLES Esoteric/Bryston System: ESOTERIC C02-X PRE-AMP, P-02X TRANSPORT, D02-X DAC, G02-X CLOCK, BRYSTON 28B3 CUBED MONOBLOCK AMPS(4), BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMP, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2(2) EVEREST 8000 POWER CONDITIONER(2) ALTAIRA CG & SG HUBS, AMR-DP777-SE DAC, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, QUADRASPIRE RACK, WW PLATINUM CABLES Accuphase/Canton System: ACCUPHASE E800 INTEGRATED, DP570 CD/SACD PLAYER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, PS530 POWER SUPPLY, CANTON REF K3’s, CANTON REF K5’s, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS MXR REFERENCE MAHOGHANY RACK w/ M3X2 SHELVES, WW GOLD CABLES |
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I've had excellent results with Delta v2 NR. Why do you recommend the XC over the NR for the Gemini? I've settled on the McIntosh MA8950, after considering the Luxman & Esoteric. Though a close thing, I find the SQ of the newest generation of McIntosh gear to suit me well (though I could live happily with any of the three).
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Glenn... Canton Reference 9 Clearaudio SM Pro Focal Bathys JLA 10" Dominion Kuzma Stabi S w/MC & MM Magnepan 1,7i McIntosh MA8950 & MR88 Oppo 203 Roon Nucleus Rose Hifi RS150B Shunyata Gemini-4 Sony ST-A6B, TA-F6B, ST-J75 & PS-X75 Sorane SA1.2 & TA-1L Stillpoints LP1v2 WW Pt, Au & Ag |
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The largest contributor (if you measured the complete set of "noise factors" as the sums of squares of all the various noise components, for example) to a system's overall noise is not from the AC mains, but from the components themselves. The XC (extra-current) PCs were primarily designed for to connect power distributors to the AC mains so as to provide the maximal current for the power distributor.
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Lumin P1 streamer/DAC/preamp, Constellation Inspiration integrated TT: Michell Gyro SE MkII, SME V, Koetsu Urushi Vermilion, EAR324. Harbeth 30.2s, REL R-305, Shunyata Alpha V2 ICs, Alpha V2 SPs, Sigma XC, Sigma NRv2, Omega QR-s & Alpha NRv2 PCs, segmented Altaira SG stack w/ Alpha & Omega CGCs, Everest 8000 PD. Remote Server Room: Uptone EtherREGEN, AfterDark Master Clock & LPS, Alita, Battle Angel, (Akasa NUC Roon Core), iFi DC Purifiers (for SMPS used for Alita & router), Shunyata Gemini combo power distributor & Altaira-type CG GP-NR hub, Venom & Alpha CGCs, Shunyata NRv14 power cords for digital components. Last edited by Puma Cat; 11-11-2023 at 02:31 PM. |
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Thanks for the info.
Interesting that Shunyata has developed their products to separately address these issues. Based on my results the Delta v2 NR, they've succeeded very well, indeed. A very big improvement in my DAC/streamer with nothing more than their AC power cord. I'll probably stick with the Delta series (or its soon to be announced successor) with a Gemini. I do get a laugh when I peruse other forums and see all the cable naysayers telling everyone what snake-oil and waste of money a good cable is. While I'll stay with their Delta-level models, I do wonder what the next level up might provide. Edit - Gemini-4 and four (4) Delta ground cables inbound. Will feed it with an Alpha XC v2 cable and will use Delta NR v2 power cables to the integrated amp, DAC/streamer, CDP and Roon Nucleus. Am really sold on what I'm hearing with Shunyata products.
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Glenn... Canton Reference 9 Clearaudio SM Pro Focal Bathys JLA 10" Dominion Kuzma Stabi S w/MC & MM Magnepan 1,7i McIntosh MA8950 & MR88 Oppo 203 Roon Nucleus Rose Hifi RS150B Shunyata Gemini-4 Sony ST-A6B, TA-F6B, ST-J75 & PS-X75 Sorane SA1.2 & TA-1L Stillpoints LP1v2 WW Pt, Au & Ag |
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Let us know what you think once it arrives, and has some time to settle after setup. I've found power distributors and cables take to 2-3 days to settle fully after coming of the logistics truck. It sure as h*ll made a big improvement for the gear in the RSR (Remote Server Room): Alita (the Akasa NUC Roon Core), EtherREGEN, and the Pace router.
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Lumin P1 streamer/DAC/preamp, Constellation Inspiration integrated TT: Michell Gyro SE MkII, SME V, Koetsu Urushi Vermilion, EAR324. Harbeth 30.2s, REL R-305, Shunyata Alpha V2 ICs, Alpha V2 SPs, Sigma XC, Sigma NRv2, Omega QR-s & Alpha NRv2 PCs, segmented Altaira SG stack w/ Alpha & Omega CGCs, Everest 8000 PD. Remote Server Room: Uptone EtherREGEN, AfterDark Master Clock & LPS, Alita, Battle Angel, (Akasa NUC Roon Core), iFi DC Purifiers (for SMPS used for Alita & router), Shunyata Gemini combo power distributor & Altaira-type CG GP-NR hub, Venom & Alpha CGCs, Shunyata NRv14 power cords for digital components. |
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Yes. I'm thinking I'll move one component at a time to the Gemini, starting with the RS150B DAC/Streamer. Power cord, then listen. Then the ground and listening, etc., until I have everything connected. Will give me an opportunity to compare what each move provides in the way of an upgrade/change.
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Glenn... Canton Reference 9 Clearaudio SM Pro Focal Bathys JLA 10" Dominion Kuzma Stabi S w/MC & MM Magnepan 1,7i McIntosh MA8950 & MR88 Oppo 203 Roon Nucleus Rose Hifi RS150B Shunyata Gemini-4 Sony ST-A6B, TA-F6B, ST-J75 & PS-X75 Sorane SA1.2 & TA-1L Stillpoints LP1v2 WW Pt, Au & Ag |
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Lumin P1 streamer/DAC/preamp, Constellation Inspiration integrated TT: Michell Gyro SE MkII, SME V, Koetsu Urushi Vermilion, EAR324. Harbeth 30.2s, REL R-305, Shunyata Alpha V2 ICs, Alpha V2 SPs, Sigma XC, Sigma NRv2, Omega QR-s & Alpha NRv2 PCs, segmented Altaira SG stack w/ Alpha & Omega CGCs, Everest 8000 PD. Remote Server Room: Uptone EtherREGEN, AfterDark Master Clock & LPS, Alita, Battle Angel, (Akasa NUC Roon Core), iFi DC Purifiers (for SMPS used for Alita & router), Shunyata Gemini combo power distributor & Altaira-type CG GP-NR hub, Venom & Alpha CGCs, Shunyata NRv14 power cords for digital components. |
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Gemini installed with an Alpha XC feeder cable and Delta NRs to the MA8950 & RS150B. When I purchased my Gemini it included a Venom cable as a promo (did not know until it arrived yesterday). Using that to my rarely used Oppo 203.
Upon installation I got an immediate improvement in sound-stage depth and SQ 'clarity'. And, have not connected the ground cables. I'll just listen until after Xmas so can make a better judgement on the grounds. Otherwise, too many changes at once.
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Glenn... Canton Reference 9 Clearaudio SM Pro Focal Bathys JLA 10" Dominion Kuzma Stabi S w/MC & MM Magnepan 1,7i McIntosh MA8950 & MR88 Oppo 203 Roon Nucleus Rose Hifi RS150B Shunyata Gemini-4 Sony ST-A6B, TA-F6B, ST-J75 & PS-X75 Sorane SA1.2 & TA-1L Stillpoints LP1v2 WW Pt, Au & Ag |
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