What is an appropriate speaker value relative to the rest of your system?

[Grasshopper]

Question- say with a $25k, or even $50k budget, what is the appropriate % allocated to the speakers?

I've seen it both ways, where folks get the most speakers they can afford, so say 75% of the budget in speakers, or the flip side where most of the budget is in gear, leaving much less for speakers.

What is your "ideal" speaker budget allocation as a % of your overall system?

[Garytn]

This is a potential can-of-worms, so I will answer by referring to a well known audio writer/reviewer. Robert Harley in his book The Complete Guide To High End Audio (a good read BTW) sets up a hypothetical system with the following percentages - speakers 36%, amp & pre 36%, one source 12%, AC cords and conditioning 9%, and interconnects 6%.

Then he goes on at great length to give arguments and examples where those %'s are not a hard line to follow. Don't get too balled up in it. I suggest hitting an even balance between value of speakers to amplification. But remember, any weakness in the source component is there no matter what. Of course, as system upgrades proceed the %'s will change.

I also think Harley should have included room treatment. My experience is that is a very important element. That varies with what your room acoustics are.

[eljr]

Originally Posted by Garytn

This is a potential can-of-worms, so I will answer by referring to a well known audio writer/reviewer. Robert Harley in his book The Complete Guide To High End Audio (a good read BTW) sets up a hypothetical system with the following percentages - speakers 36%, amp & pre 36%, one source 12%, AC cords and conditioning 9%, and interconnects 6%.

Then he goes on at great length to give arguments and examples where those %'s are not a hard line to follow. Don't get too balled up in it. I suggest hitting an even balance between value of speakers to amplification. But remember, any weakness in the source component is there no matter what. Of course, as system upgrades proceed the %'s will change.

I also think Harley should have included room treatment. My experience is that is a very important element. That varies with what your room acoustics are.

Agree

Kinda negates him being a guru on the subject, no?

Anyway, if he is a guru, I have done well. Those %'s are (by chance) about what my lead system is.

[1KW]

Everything is really important but i would find the best speakers you can afford first since these are the hardest to resell

[bart]

Originally Posted by 1KW

Everything is really important but i would find the best speakers you can afford first since these are the hardest to resell

Good advice!
And good luck with selling your beautiful Elipsas David!

[Cohibaman]

In my opinion, speakers are the most personal part of a system and will have the largest impact on whether or not YOU like a system. My advice, take a lot of time to listen to different brands and models before you make a selection. You should also have a good idea of which amp(s) you'll want to use so you can make sure there's descent synergy. Some speakers sound really good with some amps; others simply sound ok or even downright bad.

A pair of speakers with a high sticker price doesn't automatically guaranty musical nirvana to your ears or mean they'll sound any better than a pair that's half the price or even less. Say for instance you select a pair that you don't like the voice on - no amount of money spent on amps, preamps or sources will cure the problem.

The Esoteric system at AXPONA is a perfect example of a relatively inexpensive pair of speakers that sound fantastic with high-end, expensive electronics - The Esoteric Grandioso F1 Integrated amplifier, the Grandioso G1 Master Clock, and the Grandioso K-1 SACD/CD player (total list price for the three is just over $75k) driving a $15.6k pair of Canton Reference 3K speakers. There was a great synergy with this system and the speakers didn't break the bank, coming in at less than 20% of the system cost!

I heard them only for a short while, so I'm very much looking forward to Ivan's opinion of them (Ivan's got a pair coming in for evaluation, and depending on how they sound, he may begin selling them).

[Still-One]

I have always believed that you should choose the speakers that will work best in your room and get close to the sound you are looking for. My position is that fine speaker on less than top shelf electronics will give you better sound that a big box store speaker powered by excellent electronics. Second, get the amplifiers that fit in your budget that allows you to get the most out of your speakers. Now go after the front end source components that allow you to play the format(s) you desire. Last you can tweak the sound to your liking with cables, interconnects, platforms.........

The above assumes you have already done what you can to provide decent power to your room along with addressed any significant room issues.

[2fastdriving]

Originally Posted by Still-One

I have always believed that you should choose the speakers that will work best in your room and get close to the sound you are looking for. My position is that fine speaker on less than top shelf electronics will give you better sound that a big box store speaker powered by excellent electronics. Second, get the amplifiers that fit in your budget that allows you to get the most out of your speakers. Now go after the front end source components that allow you to play the format(s) you desire. Last you can tweak the sound to your liking with cables, interconnects, platforms.........

The above assumes you have already done what you can to provide decent power to your room along with addressed any significant room issues.

I am in this camp. But I've also seen systems with higher priced electronics and mid level speakers sound great.

[Masterlu]

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving

I am in this camp. But I've also seen systems with higher priced electronics and mid level speakers sound great.

Agreed, my all Grandioso rig powers Aerial 20T's or Dali Epicon 8's. It punches so much higher than it's weight, it is unbelievable!

[2fastdriving]

Originally Posted by Masterlu

Agreed, my all Grandioso rig powers Aerial 20T's or Dali Epicon 8's. It punches so much higher than it's weight, it is unbelievable!

Your accuphase and aerial 7t system was no slouch either! That is a huge disparity in cost. Still have it?