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Old 01-10-2014, 02:51 AM
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This is a little off topic, but Ivan, do you consider your best vinyl to outperform your best digital? By what margin? With all this talk about SOTA dacs...I wonder if a decent turntable can blow them all away. Certainly in my own system, my vinyl outperforms any digital I've had thus far.
It is OT, but since you asked; my best vinyl rig would be my Clearaudio Innovation, Goldfinger Statement, Aesthetix Rhea Sig, on an HRS MXR rack. Close to $100k

My best digital is my K01/G01 at about $44k

I only put the $ in to give a price/performance reference. These two very different sources are arch rivals. Some vinyl will equal or best the SS counterpart most are very close, but note the extreme price difference YMMV.
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:55 AM
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Back on track though, I do find the W4S 96kHz modded Sonos a terrific source; far better than one might imagine.
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Old 01-10-2014, 03:09 AM
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It is OT, but since you asked; my best vinyl rig would be my Clearaudio Innovation, Goldfinger Statement, Aesthetix Rhea Sig, on an HRS MXR rack. Close to $100k My best digital is my K01/G01 at about $44k I only put the $ in to give a price/performance reference. These two very different sources are arch rivals. Some vinyl will equal or best the SS counterpart most are very close, but note the extreme price difference YMMV.
Thanks Ivan. My experience is opposite, I spend more on digital to get the same level as my vinyl. I started a new thread in the digital forum. Sorry I went OT.
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Back on track though, I do find the W4S 96kHz modded Sonos a terrific source; far better than one might imagine.
Ivan.......You have said the same to me on many occasions and so far I have not been able to move off center. Both of my Sonos zone players are used strictly for previewing new music and nothing more. I don't use them to wireless stream music on my home network and I don't listen to them as a source for musical enjoyment because I am a critical listener. I have no need to access music files from another system since I have high-res music servers in both of my sound system with duplicate libraries on both of them.

I don't doubt the W4S modified Sonos zone player sounds better than the stock zone player but the best streaming audio from any Internet source is 320kbs and the majority is 128kbs and lower. In my mind this is bit cripple audio and I can hear the difference. I don't see a need for a cleaner DAC or lower jitter when the only purpose the Sonos serves for me is auditioning new music for possible purchase. That's why I have not shipped one or both of my ZP90's to Wyred 4 Sound. To me the performance gain is simply not worth it.
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Not quite though, Redbook on a K01/G01 compared to an MCD1100 is truly night & day.
Again, precisely my point.

And if you had a proper media server, you'd stop spinning discs altogether and purely rely on the DAC (in which case the K01/G01 would stomp, and I mean in a 'beat-the-redheaded-step-child-fashion' stomp the 1100).
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Ivan.......You have said the same to me on many occasions and so far I have not been able to move off center. Both of my Sonos zone players are used strictly for previewing new music and nothing more. I don't use them to wireless stream music on my home network and I don't listen to them as a source for musical enjoyment because I am a critical listener. I have no need to access music files from another system since I have high-res music servers in both of my sound system with duplicate libraries on both of them.

I don't doubt the W4S modified Sonos zone player sounds better than the stock zone player but the best streaming audio from any Internet source is 320kbs and the majority is 128kbs and lower. In my mind this is bit cripple audio and I can hear the difference. I don't see a need for a cleaner DAC or lower jitter when the only purpose the Sonos serves for me is auditioning new music for possible purchase. That's why I have not shipped one or both of my ZP90's to Wyred 4 Sound. To me the performance gain is simply not worth it.
I'll tag in here and point out Dan's point about lossy streaming/radio services - this is where the Sonos belongs, and the mod does absolutely improve the lossy part. It fits into its role very well here. But as a redbook or higher source component (lossless on up), no. That is where I have found it falling short.

Sorry for any confusion.
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I have a question. Does the mod increase quality for those who stream flac from a NAS?
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Yes, but still won't compete with a more robust solution or high end transport.
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In my view, and only my view, my Sonos ZP90 is getting ready to hit CL or a similar sale site. I'm going to implement a wired solution for high resolution music on my second system upstairs as I can barely tolerate listening to MP3 and M4A files anymore.

So while the Sonos system does work, for a critical listener it pales in comparision with other digital music solutions that will handle higher bit depth and rate files.
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Would it be worth it to listen to music from your HD based music server in other rooms?
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