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Old 04-12-2019, 03:33 PM
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As opposed to what, self-absorbed elitists that are misleading people into the abyss of audio gospel? Clueless...
Says the elitist jackass himself. Clueless...
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:04 PM
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My audio system gets better and better.
I love this hobby!!
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:59 PM
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Old 04-12-2019, 08:17 PM
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In science the burden of proof lies with the entity making the claim, not with the entity that contradicts it. If the claim cannot be proven then all you have is theory.
Actually, that's not how hypothesis testing for making statistically valid inferences with respect to data analysis for scientific or engineering experiments works AT ALL.

Along these line, just curious if you've ever published a scientific or engineering paper in a peer-reviewed journal?...(I have, FWIW)

In fact, here how it actually works: the default hypothesis, referred to statistically as "the Null Hypothesis", Ho, is that there is "no difference" for the thing, system, whatever, being tested, measured or evaluated, etc. The Null Hypothesis the foundation for all statistical hypothesis tests. The other test case, that there "is a difference" referred to as the Alternate Hypothesis, Ha.

And, you're making just this claim: that it (power conditioning, power cables, etc) doesn't matter. That's the Null Hypothesis, and its a claim just as much as the Alternate Hypothesis is. Okay, well, I think we'd all welcome objective measurement data that fails to reject the null hypothesis with alpha at 0.05 to provide a 95% statistical confidence.

Whenever I see these objectivist vs subjectivist "debates", usually involving cables, the Objectivists always say something along these lines: "Prove with data that power cables matter..."

I counter that with what should actually be asked for a proper hypothesis test: Provide objective measurement data with the appropriate statistical analysis that fails to reject the null hypothesis.

All I ever hear in response from the "objectivists" is...crickets.
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Old 04-12-2019, 08:48 PM
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Very interesting video on a demo by Grant Samuelson on how a single power cable can significantly reduce AC line noise; filmed today at AXPONA.

https://youtu.be/KWxWbUm8wV8

From the Stereophile blog: "The device Samuelsen is using—the noise maker—takes broadband A/C noise and makes it audible. The noise you're hearing is coming out of the hotel's A/C receptacle. When Samuelson plugs a noise-absorbing power cord into a spare receptacle, the audible noise vanishes because that broadband electronic noise has been so dramatically reduced. (With its orange color, this power cord is intended for the medical industry, but the same cable in a different color—blue—is available for your hi-fi."
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As opposed to what, self-absorbed elitists that are misleading people into the abyss of audio gospel? Clueless...
I think I can correct this issue scientifically.
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I do hope so.
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...All I ever hear in response from the "objectivists" is...crickets.
You either get crickets from these "measurementalists" or you get vituperative argument laden with ad hominem attack, call to authority, and other illogic. It's useless to try and reason with such people because they're not interested in reason. And I like that you put "objectivists" in quotes because, of course, these types are not even remotely objective.
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Old 04-13-2019, 04:32 AM
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You either get crickets from these "measurementalists" or you get vituperative argument laden with ad hominem attack, call to authority, and other illogic. It's useless to try and reason with such people because they're not interested in reason. And I like that you put "objectivists" in quotes because, of course, these types are not even remotely objective.
Well put.
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Old 04-13-2019, 05:57 AM
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You either get crickets from these "measurementalists" or you get vituperative argument laden with ad hominem attack, call to authority, and other illogic. It's useless to try and reason with such people because they're not interested in reason. And I like that you put "objectivists" in quotes because, of course, these types are not even remotely objective.
Exactly so.
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