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Old 06-10-2017, 11:46 PM
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Question Change order to McIntosh C22 instead of C47 ?

I found out the McIntosh C47 has not been shipped ( out of town dealer ) and was advised if I still wanted to, can change it to McIntosh C22 .

Really like the old school retro look and still feel external dac still preferred to internal dac.

Last preamp I had was the McIntosh C2300 and the C22 was not available when I purchased the C2300.

Thoughts on this? Will let my dealer know on monday what to do...

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Old 06-11-2017, 12:24 AM
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Old 06-11-2017, 01:05 AM
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I definitely think that's one pretty piece of equipment...
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Old 06-11-2017, 02:07 AM
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Hello Dan,

There is something I do not get.
You had a 2300 and you were about to change it for a 47 while you do not care about the internal dac ? You listened to the 47 and preferred the sound over the 2300 ?
Mc tube preamps and SS ones sound pretty different.
Basically I think the C22 will sound very close if not identical to your former 2300.
Mc SS preamps have a tighter sound imho with better definition and attack. The bass gains a lot of clarity and punch.
The tube preamps sound more light in comparison, but they have more air between the instruments so the overall balance will be very different and will depend on your speakers / room and personal preferences.
McIntosh has been famous for designing SS power amps that sound like tube ones and vice versa, but when it comes to preamps you can easily hear the differences between the technologies.
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:54 AM
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Hello Dan,

There is something I do not get.
You had a 2300 and you were about to change it for a 47 while you do not care about the internal dac ? You listened to the 47 and preferred the sound over the 2300 ?
Mc tube preamps and SS ones sound pretty different.
Basically I think the C22 will sound very close if not identical to your former 2300.
Mc SS preamps have a tighter sound imho with better definition and attack. The bass gains a lot of clarity and punch.
The tube preamps sound more light in comparison, but they have more air between the instruments so the overall balance will be very different and will depend on your speakers / room and personal preferences.
McIntosh has been famous for designing SS power amps that sound like tube ones and vice versa, but when it comes to preamps you can easily hear the differences between the technologies.
I am not able to listen too any McIntosh preamps in person. I sold both the McIntosh MC302 and McIntosh C2300 as Bryston better match for Magnepans. Never liked the Bryston preamps very much over the years.

Just want to have 1 piece that is still McIntosh and originally was going to get the D150 dac but felt since the D150 is $3000 US, the C47 @ $4000 better value as there is still good phono section + option of selling Rega dac if dac built in sounds as good. The C22 , I know what too expect as it is close to C2300.

Having no music at all right now driving me crazy as Bryston 4B cubed is ordered and waiting for it too arrive.
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Old 06-11-2017, 11:19 AM
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The C22 is supposed to be a C2300 internally.
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Old 06-11-2017, 11:30 AM
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Dan.......I have always appreciated the combination of tubes and solid state together. I run a solid state preamp with mono tube power amps in the studio system (C1000C/P + MC2301's), and run a tube preamplifier with solid state power amp in the living room system (C2300 + MC452). The special organic nature to the sound tubes impart, the even order harmonics, blend well with the tighter, more dynamic sound Jerome mentions with solid state components. It is my opinion the combination of tubes and solid state working together offer a synergistic and complimentary presentation.

The McIntosh C22 reissue is a gorgeous preamplifier. The cosmetics and control features pay homage to the classic original C22 but the internal parts and circuit design is essentially a C2300 preamplifier with slight variations. I think the C22 reissue will be a fine mate to your new Bryston 4Bł solid state power amplifier. I also agree with the idea of keep the DAC external. This allows future options as DAC technology advances without having to bail out of an excellent preamp just to remain current with digital improvements. In my opinion, the C22 preamplifier with retro styling and modern performance is the way to go over the C47. It's also nice to see The Absolute Sound recognized the McIntosh C22 with a 2017 Editors' Choice Award.



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Old 06-11-2017, 11:48 AM
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Dan.......I have always appreciated the combination of tubes and solid state together. I run a solid state preamp with mono tube power amps in the studio system (C1000C/P + MC2301's), and run a tube preamplifier with solid state power amp in the living room system (C2300 + MC452). The special organic nature to the sound tubes impart, the even order harmonics, blend well with the tighter, more dynamic sound Jerome mentions with solid state components. It is my opinion the combination of tubes and solid state working together offer a synergistic and complimentary presentation.

The McIntosh C22 reissue is a gorgeous preamplifier. The cosmetics and control features pay homage to the classic original C22 but the internal parts and circuit design is essentially a C2300 preamplifier with slight variations. I think the C22 reissue will be a fine mate to your new Bryston 4Bł solid state power amplifier. I also agree with the idea of keep the DAC external. This allows future options as DAC technology advances without having to bail out of an excellent preamp just to remain current with digital improvements. In my opinion, the C22 preamplifier with retro styling and modern performance is the way to go over the C47. It's also nice to see The Absolute Sound recognized the McIntosh C22 with a 2017 Editor's Choice Award.



I think in the long run the McIntosh C22 to be a better choice.
Is everything backlit on the glass including volume and balance? In your photo seems only input selector and mode selector backlit?

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Another ace post by Dan.

I especially agree that DACs should be outboard.

The C22 reissue was an instant classic the day it was born, is a pleasure to operate and will likely have the best value retention of all current McIntosh preamplifiers - if that is of any consideration.
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I think in the long run the McIntosh C22 to be a better choice.
Is everything backlit on the glass including volume and balance? In your photo seems only input selector and mode selector backlit?
Dan.......I believe that McIntosh chose not to light the Balance and Volume controls in keeping with the original C22 appearance. The Balance and Volume have the gold teal nomenclature above the respective knobs but do not appear to be illuminated.

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