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Briz Vegaas: "There is a law of diminishing returns but there is also a rule of cumulative benefits."
Oh so true. I believe very strongly that EVERY change to a music-reproduction system changes the sound, no matter how subtly and no matter if I or you or anyone can hear it. So even VERY subtle improvements do produce better sound, and those tiny little improvements are eventually audible. My system has gotten MUCH better over the last 3 years*, and I know that the many individually inaudible improvements have contributed to that. As I wrote earlier, "I can't tell you exactly how these changed the system's sounds, but my system continues to sound better--more transparent and smooth (less edgy)--with every change to it." Briz Vegaas: "Power may not be everything but it is the start of everything." Brilliant, Briz; I agree heartily. * starting with my acquisition of a pair of Audio Physic Avanti IIIs, which I improved substantially over a year and which I eventually replaced with Vandersteen 5As. Last edited by jeffreybehre; 02-20-2012 at 09:06 PM. |
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I had a Shunyata Venom on the 350 nd it was very good. I then compared the RSA Mongoose and the Shunyata Python (?). The Mongoose was great in every way but the Shunyaya gave it a little more "black" and presented everything amazingly. Currently I have an Audience on the Act2 but would love to use either a Mongoose or Shunyata based on what it had done with the amp. Of course there is the money which is stopping me at the moment. |
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[QUOTE=jeffreybehr;271512]Briz Vegaas: "There is a law of diminishing returns but there is also a rule of cumulative benefits."
[FONT="Times New Roman"][SIZE="4"]Oh so true. I believe very strongly that EVERY change to a music-reproduction system changes the sound, no matter how subtly and no matter if I or you or anyone can hear it. So even VERY subtle improvements do produce better sound, and those tiny little improvements are eventually audible. There's a concept in psychology called a Just Noticeable Difference (JND). It is the amount of change in a stimulus before the average person perceives that there's something different being presented to him or her. I believe that some of the changes we make to our systems may fall below this JND threshold, but when two or more are taken together in the aggregate, there is a perceptible difference. That’s when we notice that something is different in the musical presentation whether good or bad. I think all too often, however, the change has both positive and negative elements and that’s what makes me, at least, so crazy when it comes to this hobby of ours. Getting the changes to line up positively is harder than I’d thought. |
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I sometimes think that the negative effects are simply a product of the system being more transparent. For instance, with some changes the bass seemed to get lighter, but when I listened over a number of recordings it was clear that the bass had improved on other tracks. It was tighter and more detailed. The loss of bass was a loss of some of the bloom, ie the nice distortions that we once attributed to tube amps of old.
Shuffle play on a file based source is great for evaluation of changes. It removes the bias of your favorite test tracks. Remember that you picked those tracks based on your systems sound at a point in time. Playing that long forgotten track can sometimes be very informative and is just as important as the tracks you have been thrashing over the past month. It gives a longer term perspective of cumulative changes and it has shown me how much things have improved over the last 2 years. |
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One day I realized that I spent finally more time to try to perceive differences that to listen to the music ......
Let us listen to the music and not the sound which it produces...of course my 2 cents
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Philippe l LP12SE,urika phonostage,radikal power supply, dynavector XV-1s,conrad-johnson GAT and LP275M, Sonus Faber Elipsa,yter/naim/Linn cables, vibex, finite elemente |
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Make that 4 cents.
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Jim Bedroom: Aurender N150, Bryston BDA-3, EMIA Cu Elmaformer passive line stage, conrad-johnson MF2500, Paradigm Studio 20 v5. Shunyata Delta D6, Altaira CG hub. Shunyata Alpha XC, Delta NR v2, Alpha USB, Alpha and Venom CGC/SGC. Wireworld Eclipse 8 interconnect & speaker cables. Stillpoints footers, Butcher Block Acoustics maple platforms. Stillpoints and GIK acoustic panels. Home Office:Windows 11 PC/JRiver 31, TEAC UD-505 AKM version, Luminous Audio Technology Axiom II Walker Mod passive, conrad-johnson Sonographe SA-250, Paradigm SE-1. Shunyata Hydra (Original Version), Venom 10 NR. Wireworld Eclipse 7 interconnects. Blue Jeans speaker cable. Living-Dining Room: Windows 11 Laptop/JRiver 29, Oppo BD-83, TEAC UD-501 DAC, SOTA Sapphire TT, Graham Slee Era Gold V, Ortofon 2M Black, McIntosh MR-77, c-j Sonographe SC-25, c-j MF2500, Paradigm SE-3. Wireworld 8 IC, Blue Jeans SC. Shunyata Hydra 8 v.2, Shunyata Delta NR, Venom NR. GIK 244 bass & scatter-plate panels. |
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I haven't tried different aftermarket p/c's but I will say that the pc that came with my CA-200 is the highest quality cord that I have ever received with a piece of gear.
Nice work CJ. |
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+1 on the brilliant thing...
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Yes
No. Yes. No I think I'm conflicted. I like the sound I get with the wires, just as I am sure folks enjoy their GAT or pv14ls that might replace other gear. You don't have to go crazy with this stuff (cables) but it's one way of sticking with a component you have and realizing better performance if you feel you want it. End of the day, if I'm not enjoying the music i'm not happy about all that money spent on the setup. Stopping to enjoy what you have is good advice however. I will stop typing and listen to some more music. |
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