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I'm going to add few more things here:
1. All the A/V receivers that I mentioned in this thread are all high end receivers. 2. You don't match them with $20,000 speakers or more. For that you use additional/external amplification. ...But with full sets of 5.1 speakers (including a good sub) in the $10,000 range or so, they rock! 3. And they'll even drive low impedance speaker's loads. ...And lower sensitivity as well. 4. Remember that too: Receivers nowadays are relieved of the heaviest loads; the bass, produced by the powered subwoofers. -> You crossed all your speakers at 80Hz or so. ...In generally all cases when using a receiver. 5. And those receivers mentioned above; they all are excellent pre/pros, so down the road, if you decide to have higher end speakers (electrostatics and all), just add additional amplification good for 1 Ohm loads. * If you want to know more, you can always check my Reference thread on Receivers over at WBF (What's Best Forum). You'll find all the best reviews (links) over there, with detailed specs, and all that jazz. My username over there is NorthStar. - Sorry, can't give you a direct link. Last edited by LordoftheRingsEE; 02-14-2013 at 02:40 PM. |
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After all of Bob's help I agree it makes no sense to buy the AVR400 if you can buy comparable units for less and get more amplification and features they designed out of the 600. I am curious how the AVR600 compares to these newer NAD and Denon units? I don't plan on changing it because it sounds so fantastic as is I can't imagine it getting much better. Something I seem to have an issue with when it comes to dedicated 2 channel (as the doorbell rings to deliver my upgraded Audience AU24SE interconnects )
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...And that is the reason why I also don't recommend Arcam receivers; just too many issues from the owners, in general. Great quality sound means ZIP if the machine is not performing properly (reliability). So, I totally agree with you. And for the owners of Arcam receivers, and pre/pros, without any issues, Bravo! ...You are part of an Elite minority. And to be fair, every manufacturer has products that are more or less trouble-free. I am not the ultimate expert on reliability for every manufacturer of receivers, pre/pros, amplifiers, CD/SACD players, Blu-ray players, etc., but I had my fair share of Japanese/China/Thailand/Indonesia/USA/UK etc. made audio/video products, and read enough from tons of owners, that I get a pretty good viewpoint on most of these products. ...And for several years. My life is a tightrope act where I try to balance everything from the right perspective. My own experience, knowledge, that I can share. ...But it is only a very lilliputian star's particle (very minuscule) from the vast sea of the huge universe. Last edited by LordoftheRingsEE; 02-14-2013 at 08:12 PM. Reason: typo |
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BUT! The Integra DHC-80.3 would certainly be a good match with a Parasound, or Cary, or Krell multichannel amp. And why not! - The Integra DTA-70.1 multichannel amp? ...Very good too, but again, not with Rockport Technologies speakers, or Magico speakers, or Wilson Audio speakers. See what I mean; it's all about fair balance between ALL the components. ___________________ Dedicated Pre/pros vs AV receivers: ...The Integra pre/pro, I am quite convinced (I am), would sound 'slightly' better, or 'fairly' more, depending, in general, than its cousin (counter-part), the Integra receiver. ...Like DHC-80.3 vs DTR-80.3 for example. Why? First, no internal amplification to contaminate the delicate preamp section. Two, a dedicated power supply for the analog, and digital preamp section. Three, less wiring cramming and circuit boards inside. Four, more room to breathe, and less heat. Five, more care, in general, done by the designer, on parts and implementation of the overall ensemble. Last edited by LordoftheRingsEE; 02-16-2013 at 02:15 AM. Reason: add up |
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The AVR600 is the type of receiver you could use with $20,000 speakers! But then, if you can afford it, why not go with Arcam's own dedicated pre/pro? Again, sound quality only here; reliability is another game. |
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Of course that matching is always a good idea, and with amps and preamps it's the input sensitivity and impedance, as well the output level impedance that counts most. Designers like McIntosh, Denon/Marantz, Integra/Onkyo, Classe, Krell, Parasound, Theta, etc., of dedicated pre/pros and multichannel amplifiers; they design their components to be compatible at best with each other. But in audio there are no rules to follow; everything is good as long as it sounds good to you and safe to operate in your home and with your speakers and your family. Do we need to match the preamp of a certain manufacturer with the amp of that same manufacturer? As a common rule, it makes good sense. But do audio people have good common sense? See! - I find it quite interesting what we're discussing here, but then, it's all deja vu all over again. No? But, hey, I'm game, I'm always game. Last edited by LordoftheRingsEE; 02-19-2013 at 02:26 PM. Reason: M...... |
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As far as pre pros honestly I auditioned the 888 and 777 and they were not significantly better for my application and that car/track thing sucks up more than I care to admit. It is a fine line in the winter it is stereo once track season comes along it is all about car performance upgrades just can't commit This room doesn't warrant spending more than a few grand on it it to do what it is designed to do. I hooked up the 300 just before fourth of July and I am lucky enough to watch the Macy's fireworks on the TV while watching the same fireworks out the window to the right. If I want to watch movies it is downstairs in a far better controlled environment. I definitely got a great education and have a lot to think about.
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-- Did I also mention the Onkyo TX-NR3009 A/V receiver?
This beast you can find from $1,200 to $1,500 or so roughly. It has Audyssey MultEQ XT32, and is Audyssey MultEQ Pro Ready. It has six 32-bit/192kHz Stereo DACs (TI BB PCM-1795), three high performance TI Aureus DSP chips, four transformers, and weights 55 pounds. There is this guy, an Hollywood professional film recording/mixer engineer, and he's using that exact same receiver in his own high end home theater sound system (with high quality speakers and subwoofers). And this guy's all about sound quality! ...Not froot loops movies here, but big/major/serious Hollywood blockbuster movies. And not only that, but without any additional amplification! Just thought of letting you know. ________________ High End A/V receivers (2012-2013); my own picks (by price, most expensive first): 1. Onkyo TX-NR5010 (no need for Integra; they are 97% exactly the same, but the Onkyos cost fairly less) 2. Onkyo TX-NR5009 3. Onkyo TX-NR3010 4. Denon AVR-4520CI 5. Onkyo TX-NR3009 6. Denon AVR-4311CI * All of the above have Audyssey MultEQ XT32, and are Audyssey MultEQ Pro Ready. {Only the Onkyo 5009 and 3009 are 9.2-channel receivers; the others are all 11.2-channel receivers.} Last edited by LordoftheRingsEE; 02-19-2013 at 02:25 PM. Reason: {} |
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