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Old 07-10-2018, 09:46 AM
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I would describe that as "not voiced" or neutral.
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Old 07-10-2018, 12:35 PM
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I would describe that as "not voiced" or neutral.

Yeah, me too....
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:36 PM
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The reviewer of the less expensive Beethovens, I don't remember which adds in summing up Peter gannaster: Designer Peter Gansterer has nipped and tucked with surgical precision to produce an outstandingly musical loudspeaker for a very reasonable price.
and later..
I'll take Gansterer's carefully crafted compromises over a speaker that can play louder and perhaps faster, but fails to deliver the near-full-range tonal and harmonic satisfaction consistently served up by the Beethoven Concert Grand.
Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/...w3zsyqvDdkV.99
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:01 PM
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When I look at the frequency response of the Vienna Acoustics speakers, I'm left wondering how one could find Gansterer's speakers to sound musical. The response of the VA Beethoven varies 8 dB from 70 to 400 Hz and 10 dB between 1 kHz and 10k Hz. The chart looks like the Grand Canyon. The only area of smooth response is between 500-1,000 Hz.

I think the reviewer needs to calibrate his reference i.e listen to some speakers with flat on and off axis response or have his hearing checked. For the same price, you can get a pair of Revel Performa3 F208s that measure way better.

Sorry, you are posting in the Revel thread.

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Old 07-13-2018, 10:08 AM
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'Musical's' good and to be preferred over unpleasant, but I prefer the recording to be the source of "musicality." I've always felt the equipment should (to the extent possible) not be the point at which tonality is defined. Of course all speakers overlay their qualities onto program to a lesser or greater extent but if everything else is equal I'll take lesser influence if I have a choice. Flat response should be one of the primary goals of all reference grade equipment.

The very notion of voicing suggests that a defined goal can be identified and created. If that's the case, why not just shoot for truth (accuracy) in the first place? Perhaps there are times when a given tailored curve can be more pleasant than a technically "better" response, but there will be as many or more times when it isn't. I don't want the designer defining what I should hear. I prefer that to be the program material itself.
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Old 07-14-2018, 11:16 AM
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You're right Rex, and I voted with my wallet my last 3 pair of speakers since selling those beethovens on order Revel F52, Salon1, and Salon2! When I find a pair of speakers that make my 70's aerosmith cd's pressed in the 80's sound musical I get excited, my money, no harm, no foul as long as they stock replacement tweeters i'm in.

Streaming and digital music reproduction has improved so much since the 80's that I don't need 'soft' or conservative or british whatever, speakers or tube amps to smooth over the nails on a chalkboard redbook sound anymore.
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