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Yes I do have a few Bryston pieces around the house james |
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I wasn't talkin' 'bout any Paradigm sub; but the Reference Signature SUB 2!
...A pair of them retails for a cool $18,000! ...That is Theee Subbb! |
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$18,000!!! - Gee's you can get a really good cartridge for that james |
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Alternatively, one might provide a really nice parametric EQ for each channel and let the owner choose how or whether to use it. Last edited by Kal Rubinson; 04-22-2012 at 10:21 AM. |
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Kal gets a real good point here James.
* Do you own a turntable? |
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Yes 3 tables - a Roksan a Thorens and a Rega James Last edited by James Tanner - Bryston; 04-21-2012 at 11:59 PM. |
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Das OK, we always find the 'needle' at the end of the 'thread'.
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James, I have never asked for this, as I know it is irrelevant to the proper sounding setup in a listening environment, as you noted within…’proper speaker placement and room treatments’. A number of years ago I wrote an article, for most likely Residential Systems or Pro Sound News, where I setup a room as follows; Lexicon MC-12, w/o room treatments…settings by ear, w/o treatment with Radio Shack meter, with room treatments, and finally with the $3600 AKG (4) mic room correction kit optioned by Harman. (fronts were most likely B&W 802 & rears were either B&W or Genelec 8030) The result, my ear was only off by 1dB from the meter (except the sub )…and the room, TREATED w/o room correction was FAR superior to the ‘corrected EQ’ room, w/o treatment. So your comment reflects my many tests. Dr. D’Antonio might, if he had time, comment on this, but suffice to say, any studio, anywhere in the world, if properly designed, is treated to take advantage of said space, without need for EQ. DSP as we know maybe used in post but for different reasons. Dr. D., might give you the science behind it, as it relates to your comment within, but I think BRYSTON is proper in not using a pseudo room correction EQ. By the way, Alan Parsons was recently quoted in a magazine as saying that Room treatment should be a primary consideration, as it is in the professional field, whereas in the consumer market, it is more of a ‘snake oil’ mystique of an esoteric labeled product. Wayne |
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From: David
Sent: April-24-12 1:30 PM To: James Tanner Subject: Re: Bryston SP-3 No Room Correction Hi James My input is I've spent countless hours finessing room EQ for home theatre using a few Pioneer Elite receivers. For my room, I've worked out the best solutions for low frequency bass management as well as basic room eq for mid and upper frequencies. I've added and subtracted subs and done the measurements and tests all over again. After countless hours and measurements finding the best sound, I turned it all off and now use none. No eq at all. It's just not needed. David |
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There is no doubt that a properly designed and treated room is as close to optimum as possible. However, this demands the capacity to have/build a room of proper size and dimensions and the ability to properly treat it. Neither of these necessities can be assumed in domestic environments. Either the pocket book or the WAF (or both) stand in the way. There is, also, no doubt that electronic roomEQ in a bad room that is devoid of any acoustic treatment is like putting a band-aid on a fractured limb. I have heard such roomEQ demos and, while the difference between raw and EQ-ed is apparent, a preference is not possible. In the overwhelming majority of domestic situations, where the room is not designed, ab initio, for proper acoustics and complete acoustical treatment is limited (by cost and WAF), one can make a case for the improvements available with proper roomEQ. This is especially true below the critical (Schroeder) frequency where accommodating large bass traps can be a problem for many reasons. It is not an either/or situation. Both of my listening rooms were in the homes as I bought them and both are acoustically-treated but to different degrees. In one, roomEQ has very little impact and is not really necessary while, in the other, it is almost essential. Last edited by Kal Rubinson; 04-24-2012 at 01:47 PM. |
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