Is the Aurieges too good for its own good?

[NeilNZ]

Originally Posted by Jerome W

VR with phonostage will be a better option imho....

How can you suggest that if you haven't heard the new VR-L? It is a very different beast to the standard VR.

[NOLG4EVR]

Originally Posted by NeilNZ

How can you suggest that if you haven't heard the new VR-L? It is a very different beast to the standard VR.

How is it a very different beast from the 'standard' VR? Don't understand that. Is it a VR without a phono stage or a different preamp? Why call it a VR then? Please explain.

[NeilNZ]

It's not for me to explain why Mr Shindo decides to name things the way he does, but it is indeed a very different preamp inside compared to the standard VR.

[Jerome W]

Originally Posted by NeilNZ

How can you suggest that if you haven't heard the new VR-L? It is a very different beast to the standard VR.

I am not saying that the VR-L is inferior to the VR.
I am saying ironically that buying a Shindo preamp without a phono stage is like buying a Ferrari but with a fixed speed limitor at 55 MPH.
Where Shindo preamps really kill the others is in the phonostage.

[NOLG4EVR]

Originally Posted by NeilNZ

It's not for me to explain why Mr Shindo decides to name things the way he does, but it is indeed a very different preamp inside compared to the standard VR.

Respectfully, I am not asking you to explain Mr. Shindo's naming of the pre amp, just your post of 'it is a different beast'. Is this a different pre amp, have you heard it? How is it different? As an owner of a VR pre I would appreciate clarification. Thank you.

[Schmitz]

Originally Posted by pitchperfect

Shindo is always moving forward and looking to utilize his latest thoughts in each product, whether amp or preamp.

-M

Should this be considered automatically positive or negative?

Newer is always better- that marketing speech we hear since ages from salesmans of all industry sectors. In some of them, the new technology approach my be stand for better qualities- but in audio it does not as most of us learned the hard way.

With Shindo gear, newer is not always better for sure.
Many prefer old Shindo gear much more because of the sound which have changed.

[campoli]

Originally Posted by Schmitz

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With Shindo gear, newer is not always better for sure.
Many prefer old Shindo gear much more because of the sound which have changed.

Old or newer shindo gear, which is `better`?? Imho there`s a generally valid answer would be unserious!
Some weeks ago I`d an few years old Monbrison here. Would it prefer in comparison to the 1990`s triode Monbrison.

[Toneone]

The best Shindo is the one in your system.

[pitch perfect]

Originally Posted by Schmitz

Should this be considered automatically positive or negative?

Newer is always better- that marketing speech we hear since ages from salesmans of all industry sectors. In some of them, the new technology approach my be stand for better qualities- but in audio it does not as most of us learned the hard way.

I write from experience -

The fact of the matter is you have no hands on, real personal experience with any Shindo products newer than, perhaps, 15 years... and definitely no experience with anything the last 7 years, as none has been available in Germany.

Both Jonathan and I have personally owned and listened to almost everything Shindo has ever made since the beginning of his company through to this present day.

But, listen, you don't know me. I, however, know of you and your past history at a certain company (I will not post specifics here) and why you have an axe to grind, and the reason you have an overall disgruntled demeanor. So perhaps you want to take your negative attitudes elsewhere, so we can get back to a positive atmosphere.

-M

[KenSea]

What happens with many designers is that they set out to improve designs and they focus on one or two areas at the cost of the whole. Audio Research , Naim and others are certainly quilty of this. Frankly, old tube stuff in general was very polite and bloated with more modern designs has come better detail, timing , imaging, and dynamics. While Shindo may not be the best in all of those areas I certain feel that Ken has done a wonderful job of preserving what a real unamplified instruments sound like and in the end isnt that what its all about. I truly appreciate and respect Ken's values as a artist and a engineer.