Ping Caelin. Thoughts on new line of power cords

[RLF]

Hi Caelin,

In my stereo system, I am using a Denali 6000S/V2 powering my preamp, 2 DACs, SACD/CD Transport, and music server on a dedicated 20 amp AC line preconditioned with a Typhon QR. My 2 mono-block amps are on their own dedicated separate 20 amp AC line plugged directly into wall outlet.

My separate A.V. system in another room is powered by both a Denali 6000S/V2 and a Triton V3, each using a dedicated 20 amp AC line. The video components (OLED TV, Apple 4K TV, OPPO BD player, and TiVo) are connected to the Denali while the audio end (multichannel amps, pre-pro, and sub) are powered by the Triton. I tried various combinations of using the Denali and Triton in my A.V. system, but the audio sounds best via the Triton rather than the Denali which is just the way that it is for some unknown reason.

All Shunyata power conditioners in both systems, stereo and A.V. are powered via Sigma V1 power cords.

Do you think that eliminating the Typhon in the stereo and instead using one of your new power cords, Omega QR or Reference NR directly into the Denali in my stereo would be better sounding than the Typhon QR into the Denali?

BTW, there is no room for the Typhon in the A.V. rack, but maybe if one of your new power cords would elevate the Denali in my stereo without the help of the Typhon, I could somehow manage to squeeze the Typhon in my A.V. system behind the A.V. rack?

Of course, I know the only way to know what sounds and looks best with P.Q. is to try one of your new power cords and hear and see myself, but your thoughts and input would help to lead me in the right direction at this point

Thanks, Bob

[CGabriel]

Ideally the Typhon QR should be paired with the Tv3.

The cables between the wall outlet and the conditioner are very important. The new Sigma XC would be a very significant upgrade for the Denali, Tv3 and the Typhon.

If it is in the budget, the Omega QR for the mono-blocks is quite simply a revelation. PumaCat and SCAudiophile have a lot of experience with the new cables. So, hopefully one of them can give you some first hand knowledge.

[Masterlu]

Bob... just reach out when you think you are ready.

[Puma Cat]

Originally Posted by RLF

Hi Caelin,

In my stereo system, I am using a Denali 6000S/V2 powering my preamp, 2 DACs, SACD/CD Transport, and music server on a dedicated 20 amp AC line preconditioned with a Typhon QR. My 2 mono-block amps are on their own dedicated separate 20 amp AC line plugged directly into wall outlet.

My separate A.V. system in another room is powered by both a Denali 6000S/V2 and a Triton V3, each using a dedicated 20 amp AC line. The video components (OLED TV, Apple 4K TV, OPPO BD player, and TiVo) are connected to the Denali while the audio end (multichannel amps, pre-pro, and sub) are powered by the Triton. I tried various combinations of using the Denali and Triton in my A.V. system, but the audio sounds best via the Triton rather than the Denali which is just the way that it is for some unknown reason.

All Shunyata power conditioners in both systems, stereo and A.V. are powered via Sigma V1 power cords.

Do you think that eliminating the Typhon in the stereo and instead using one of your new power cords, Omega QR or Reference NR directly into the Denali in my stereo would be better sounding than the Typhon QR into the Denali?

BTW, there is no room for the Typhon in the A.V. rack, but maybe if one of your new power cords would elevate the Denali in my stereo without the help of the Typhon, I could somehow manage to squeeze the Typhon in my A.V. system behind the A.V. rack?

Of course, I know the only way to know what sounds and looks best with P.Q. is to try one of your new power cords and hear and see myself, but your thoughts and input would help to lead me in the right direction at this point

Thanks, Bob

Hi Bob,
Here's what I would likely be doing if I had your (wonderful) system:

I'd put the Trition V3 into your main audio (2-channel system), with the Typhon QR plugged into it. If you had the budget, rather than getting an Omega QR, I'd put a new Sigma XC on the Triton V3 to power it from the wall (which would also save you quite a bit of money).

Then for your AV system, I'd move the Denali from your 2-channel audio system to the A/V system and use it as a 2nd Denali V2 for the audio componentry of your home theatre system in place of the Triton V3.

If your budget alllows Omega QR or Sigma NR v2 PCs on your monoblocks connected directly to the wall (I don't know what you are using there presently) would be freakin' amazing, the Omegas more so because of the QR device they have, but the Sigma NR v2s were, for me, a revelation. I"ve not heard the Omega QR, so I can't comment on it specifically, but knowing 1) how good the Sigma NR v2 is 2) what a QR/BB devices brings to the equation, I can only presume it represents a major paradigm shift for PCs.

The new Sigma XC is a fantastic PC for powering power distributors (PD): it is exceptionally clean, quiet, dynamic, and fast, fast, fast. It really gives the PD the current it needs when it needs it. While a Sigma NR v2 is also fab powering a PD (so much so it came as a shock to me the first time I connected it to Denali), the XC is even better.

Having tested both extensively, I've come to the conclusion that the XC are really the best solution for PDs and the NR series are best-suited for powering components.

As for the Typhon, what it does is so special, my thought is it would be best-served using it for your 2-channel system in conjunction with your Triton V3.

Just my 2¢; I'm sure with your system, however you configure it, its going to be extraordinary. Cheers.

[Masterlu]

[SCAudiophile]

That would be OMEGA!!!

[RLF]

Thanks to all who have replied.

I’m sure that the Typhon would be better suited with the Triton V3 over the Denali and the Omega QR/QC would handily outdo my Sigmas and are definitely on my shortlist for audition.

Here is a bit of background of my previous trials:

When I initially reviewed the Triton V3 against a competitor’s product back to back in my 2 channel stereo, the competitor’s product won out, so I bought it and I was going to send the Triton V3 back to my dealer. However before sending the Triton back, I decided to try it in my AV system against what I had in there at the time for power conditioning; PSA P10. . The Triton was a major revelation in my AV system, so naturally it stayed there. I also found that the Triton vs the Denali made a much bigger difference in my AV system than in my stereo, so that’s another reason why the Denali stayed in the stereo.

I did try a second Denali in my home theater for the audio side, but to both my wife’s and my ears, the Denali was a big downgrade in comparison to the Triton V3 in there.

If not for what I had previously experienced with the Denali vs the Triton in my home theater in addition to the space constraints in my AV Rack, I would bring the Triton back to my 2 channel system, pair it with the Typhon, and use both Denali’s in my AV system.

As I stated in my initial post, I’m not sure why, but as we all know every system is different, so experimentation is absolutely essential.

[RLF]

Originally Posted by Masterlu

Ivan, That’s one heck of a system that you have. Simply gorgeous; at least to us audiophiles. I bet that it sounds stunning too!

Those power cords are making me drool too.

With all these new Shunyata products coming out, I’m not yet quite sure what the best game plan is?

[Puma Cat]

Originally Posted by RLF

Ivan, That’s one heck of a system that you have. Simply gorgeous; at least to us audiophiles. I bet that it sounds stunning too!

Those power cords are making me drool too.

With all these new Shunyata products coming out, I’m not yet quite sure what the best game plan is?

Here is some gudiance from Caelin posted elsewhere for a very similar question that you may find helpful.

What I like about it is that it is based off using the power distributor as the "foundation", and provides very clear and most importantly, EFFECTIVE way to think about choosing PCs for power distributors and components. Key: PD = power distributor; Comp = Component

DENALI 6000/S v2

Good Value, good sound
PD: Venom V10 XC
Comp: Venom V12/V10 NR

Great Performance / Reasonable Price
PD: Delta XC
Comp: Delta NR
Upgrade: Alpha NR on amps

Best Price/Performance (near reference level)
PD: Alpha XC
Comp: Alpha NR
Upgrade: Sigma NR on amps

EVEREST 8000

Best Price/Performance 1/2 SOTA Price
PD: Sigma XC
Comp: Alpha NR
Upgrade: Sigma NR on amps

Reference Level (SOTA)
PD: Omega XC
Comp: Sigma NR
Upgrade: Omega QR on amps

[2fastdriving]

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

Here is some gudiance from Caelin posted elsewhere for a very similar question that you may find helpful.

What I like about it is that it is based off using the power distributor as the "foundation", and provides very clear and most importantly, EFFECTIVE way to think about choosing PCs for power distributors and components. Key: PD = power distributor; Comp = Component

DENALI 6000/S v2

Good Value, good sound
PD: Venom V10 XC
Comp: Venom V12/V10 NR

Great Performance / Reasonable Price
PD: Delta XC
Comp: Delta NR
Upgrade: Alpha NR on amps

Best Price/Performance (near reference level)
PD: Alpha XC
Comp: Alpha NR
Upgrade: Sigma NR on amps

EVEREST 8000

Best Price/Performance 1/2 SOTA Price
PD: Sigma XC
Comp: Alpha NR
Upgrade: Sigma NR on amps

Reference Level (SOTA)
PD: Omega XC
Comp: Sigma NR
Upgrade: Omega QR on amps

That's very helpful, but the "upgrade" option is for what you put on amps (presumably not plugged into the distributor?).

What does Shunyata (or PumaCat) recommend as an upgrade if you already have a Sigma v1 to your PD, but are using all older Alpha HC to everything else, including the amp (Not plugged into the distr.). basically, I'm wondering where a sigma V2 would go if I got one, and what kind.