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I find this thread very interesting since I own a pair of b&w speaker at home and mix on a pair of JBL monitors at the church that I attend. I mix worship (24 plus inputs) many more auxes, buses, and affect channels for broadcasting. Sometimes live sometimes recorded. I listen near field in a booth on the monitors. In addition to that sometimes I fill in for FOH. My point is in each instance I want something different out of my speakers. When filling in for FOH I’m aware of the auditorium and how the speaker sound is interacting with the space. When working broadcast i want the speaker to perform with certain characteristics to help me identify areas to change that will help when broadcasted. When I am home I want still something different. IMHO I believe both my monitors and floor standing speakers are great.
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Find it interesting that the Yamaha NS10 is still used as a monitor in some studios, being a 42yr old design.
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Colleagues,
I decided to revisit Dr. Floyd Tooles book on audio reproduction, and listen to his discourse Sound Reproduction-Art and Science, available on YouTube. In his presentation, Dr. Toole explains and show examples of good and bad sound reproduction and how it can, and can't be fixed. One of the more interesting aspects of his life's work is how much one spends on speakers is no guarantee of how accurate the reproduction will be. And shows examples. He also introduces the concept of the circle of confusion, which essentially is other than our speakers we don't know anything about how the recording was made, or who did it. (Kudo's to Telarc for always listing who the engineer was, the hall used, the microphones used, and the monitors used,none of which are near field types.) Being a scientist and an engineer, Dr. Toole is an objective type, showing and explaining his findings using charts and graphs. I would recommend to all who are engaged in this passion filled hobby, to read Dr. Tooles book and watch the video. For some it will confirm your suspicions and for others, well you may not like it. I found the presentation at 1 hour 6 minutes very interesting. One other thing of interest to YB-2, I worked in a studio that used the NS10, and they were genuine junk. none of us liked them |
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Floyd Toole - Sound reproduction – art and science/opinions and facts https://youtu.be/zrpUDuUtxPM |
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Yes, that is the one.
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I have to chime in here. Having listened to a pair of ATC 3-way monitors (don't remember the specific model) a couple of years back, I would have to say they had the best sounding midrange I have ever heard. Very clean, accurate, luxurious sound. Reasonably priced when compared to some of the higher-end speakers available.
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I have not had the pleasure of hearing any ATC speaker, but I have heard others say that they don't sound like B&W's. The German magazine Stereo reviewed The SCM 150A I think it was and the graphs look pretty good, but there are no reference's telling how the measurements were made. ( Germans tend to be pretty thorough, so it is probably accurate).
The 150 is a large speaker with a 15 inch bass speaker that crosses over to a dome midrange at 380 Hz. As stated I have not heard them. I'd love to compare them with my JBL 4410's but I don't think that any one in Northwest Washington carries them. |
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1935 (!): Walter Hummel (18 years old), cofounder of German studio monitor manufacturer Klein+Hummel:
„The reproduction must be so good that it corresponds to the original performance, especially in terms of timbre. That's why we talk about fidelity.“ 1969: world's first active nearfield studio monitor Model OY. Standard monitor supplier for German public broadcasters ARD and ZDF. Neumann monitors are the successors of Klein+Hummel (model designation KH). Their philosophy: “Every monitor loudspeaker should fill the room with uniform energy across the entire frequency range, especially in the listening position. In the process, it must interact flexibly with the room, the style of construction, installation and the monitoring environment without any loss of precision.” 1976: design brief for B&W 801: „full professional monitor requirements“ 1) Low frequency cut-off (-3dB) = 40Hz 2) Amplitude/frequency response = ± 2 dB, 50Hz to 20 kHz 3) Acoustic power output capability in passband = 1 W (112 dBSPL @ 1 m, 106 dBSPL in up to 200 m³ environment) 4) Amplitude/frequency response to remain linear for listening positions ± 30º off-axis on horzontal plane and ± 5º off-axis on vertical plane. The B&W 801 became the standard monitor for classical music recording studios from the early 1980s well into the 1990's. In 2019 I attended an event called 'monitor days', where about a dozen „professional studio monitors“ (the brackets are intentional) were presented by their distributors / representatives / developers. The sonic characteristics were ways more diverse than I expected. Being familiar with B&W 800 D3, I could have lived with maybe one or two of these „professional studio monitors“, but IMHO the rest was by far not good enough to be named (or used as) 'professional studio monitors'. Martin Last edited by meltemi; 08-01-2021 at 11:24 AM. |
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Martin,
Fascinating post, Thankyou. Would you inform us where the Monitor Days event took place? |
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