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Old 08-18-2011, 09:51 AM
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Hopefully it will be the right solution for you. Using the REL with the Speakon input in the past was the only successful implementation in my house for 2-channel use.

This G1 looks like they really took it a step further making the quality and features beyond previous offerings. Nice to be able to augment the lowest frequencies hopefully creating a foundation that will not only bolster the low end, but improve the soundstage as well.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:10 PM
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Well, I have decided to keep the Rel Gibraltar G1 sub that I have been auditioning the last 11 days. This was not an easy decision as I will attempt to explain.

First, I have no desire for HT type bass in my 2-channel room. (Actually, I really don't want that in my HT either) Second, I prefer not to have too much gear cluttering up my room. Third, I have a limited number of options for placing a sub in my room. Fourth, my room "seems" to bass load pretty easily.

To sum what I have previously posted, a) I have re-run Room Perfect twice since I added the sub, b) the crossover was set at 27/28Hz c) Phase 180 d) volume at 11. RoomPerfect values jumped from 99% Room Knowledge and 14% Filter Processing without a sub to 99& Room Knowledge and 50% Processing on my second go 'round. These are the values and settings where I did most of my listening.

So what did I hear? There is no doubt that the unit filled in the bottom end. Tracks such as Dire Straits "Ride Across The River", Shelby Lynne's "Anyone Who Had A Heart" Bird York's "In The Deep" and Alsion Krauss's "Forget About It" (Live) all benefited from the added weight.

My problem was I could not find a set and forget setting on the MEN-220. Some tracks sounded better in the Focus position while others sounded better in the ByPass mode. It was almost as if the sound of those tracks played in the Focus position were separated by a cloud layer. All the bass sat low to the ground and the vocals and highs were sitting on top of that layer. If I selected the ByPass mode too often the bass would overwhelm the sound and get a bit muddy.

Today, I dropped the crossover setting to 25Hz and have been running the MEN-220 in ByPass mode and I must say the sound is much better. I gained the musicality lost in the Focus position and the bass is no longer overwhelming.

I will be traveling (again ) this weekend so I will re-run Room Perfect next week to see what happens in the Focus position when the calculations are derived from the sub crossing over at 25Hz. Who knows, I may have purchased a sub and be getting ready to sell a MEN-220.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:34 PM
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Certainly is very attractive although I have never seen one in person. The "B" series was never cosmetically appealing to me.
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Certainly is very attractive although I have never seen one in person. The "B" series was never cosmetically appealing to me.
It is a nice looking unit and having a remote control to adjust Crossover, Volume and phase (also .1 level in a HT set-up) from you seating position is a real plus.

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Certainly is very attractive although I have never seen one in person. The "B" series was never cosmetically appealing to me.
Funny I love the look of the B series

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It is a nice looking unit and having a remote control to adjust Crossover, Volume and phase (also .1 level in a HT set-up) from you seating position is a real plus.

Jim
Being able to realize the changes while seated and listening is a big plus.

Normally if you have to go back and forth for adjustments it can be hard to evaluate minor adjustments, which as we know add up to big overall differences.

Are you using the stock Speakon speaker level interface cable?
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Being able to realize the changes while seated and listening is a big plus.

Normally if you have to go back and forth for adjustments it can be hard to evaluate minor adjustments, which as we know add up to big overall differences.

Are you using the stock Speakon speaker level interface cable?
Yes, I am using the Neutrik Speakon cable that was included. Are there others?

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I dont think the supplied Rel Neutrik cable is screened. They weren't on any Rel's ive owned in the past anyway.

I used a screened Beldon cable into my Rel, instead of the stock Neutrik cable, and the benefits were very worthwhile.
Cleaner, tighter bass that made the sub less obvious. A similar benefit to adding a decent mains cable.

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Yes, I am using the Neutrik Speakon cable that was included. Are there others?

Jim
Yes, there are several options offered by a few manufacturers at varying price points. I have not researched this in a while, so I am not up to date on all that are available, but I am sure others will comment.

On the low end I know that Signal Cable has an upgrade that is very reasonably priced. Synergistic Research also has one that has received positive feedback, but is not inexpensive.

I know you use Transparent and I would think they could make one for you as well.

In addition to any sonic benefits you will be able to customize the length to your needs. As I remember the REL Speakon factory link is very long.
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Good for you Jim! Enjoy your new Sub!
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