The Whole Thing Is A Fraud: High-End Cables

[SCAudiophile]

Originally Posted by Masterlu

Watch out for the sign post up ahead, you are entering the "Cable Zone"

LMFAO...beautiful!!!

[W9TR]

I really really wish I couldn't hear differences in cables. But I can.

[Mikado463]

Originally Posted by ylee

What's amusing to me is most people who make the claim that cables don't make a difference also think Bose is the pinnacle of audio.

no they don't, certainly not the majority

Originally Posted by 2fastdriving

I think both can be true : cables can make a difference AND they are a way overpriced. For example, most cable companies have product lines which double in price as you go up. There is no possible way that they really cost twice as much to make. It's all gouging.

ya think ...............

And unfortunately we pay it. I'm guilty.

ahhhh, pity the poor audiofool !

But when you have a highly resolving system there is no doubt that there is a difference. Especially when you are talking about the whole "loom".

really makes little difference that the argument will ever be settled, while I know cabling can make a difference and can be 'made' to make a difference (MIT) I'm in the camp that supports science, engineering and common sense.

[ylee]

Originally Posted by JBT

Finally, I spoke to a manufacturer of expensive cables not too long ago and he told me, “I’m going to get into making guitar cables soon…I think there’s money to be made in that market.” So I asked him what his cost would be and what he expects to sell them for. He said, “I’ll have about $15 in the cable and connectors and hope to sell them for around $250.? Honestly, I don’t think the situation is any different for the cables that audiophiles purchase…there’s way too much costs for far too little improvement. Different? Maybe. But better…it’s up to you. What you’re paying for is expensive ads in glossy magazines.

http://www.highendaudionews.com.vhos...lag.com/?p=440

Cost of raw materials and assembling them are only part of keeping a business enterprise going so there are cables to buy. Yes, marketing expenses are part of those costs. So is payroll for people who aren't always working on building cables, like inventory managers, accountants, attorneys, back-office staff, etc.

I was recently reminded of how cable quality can affect even non audio applications. I recently bought a car for my au pairs to drive with Android Auto and Apple Carplay. Good quality USB sync cables are needed for Android Auto to work, especially for Google Maps where timing of bits is obviously important. With crappy cables my Galaxy S7 gets disconnected every minute or so from the car. At first I thought the problem was due to a software problem. It turns out the cable was the issue. So bits aren't just bits.

[bart]

Originally Posted by ylee

I was recently reminded of how cable quality can affect even non audio applications. I recently bought a car for my au pairs to drive with Android Auto and Apple Carplay. Good quality USB sync cables are needed for Android Auto to work, especially for Google Maps where timing of bits is obviously important. With crappy cables my Galaxy S7 gets disconnected every minute or so from the car. At first I thought the problem was due to a software problem. It turns out the cable was the issue. So bits aren't just bits.

We had the same problem in our car.
A no name brand cable really didn't function properly.

[bart]

Originally Posted by W9TR

I really really wish I couldn't hear differences in cables. But I can.

Same here...


About the material cost.
I had a patient who worked in the sunglasses business.
Production cost is only a couple of €, still they're sold at 300-400€ or more.

[JBT]

After I ordered my 601s I measured the distance between the two towers where each amp would sit. Eight feet but over 6ft off the ground. So to be on the safe side I would need a 24ft interconnect. Since I already had Nordost Valhalla in my current system I asked my dealer how much a new interconnect would cost. It would have to be a special order from Nordost because the longest one they make is 4 meters and it costs 18 thousand. The 601s are 15 thousand after tax. Anyway he suggested Kimber Kable. Sent me home with some and that's when I did the comparison with the system the 601s were going to replace. Back and forth between the Valhallas and Kimber. No one could tell the difference. Playing the same songs from my MCD500.

When wire costs more than the amps. .

[richardallred]

Originally Posted by JBT

After I ordered my 601s I measured the distance between the two towers where each amp would sit. Eight feet but over 6ft off the ground. So to be on the safe side I would need a 24ft interconnect. Since I already had Nordost Valhalla in my current system I asked my dealer how much a new interconnect would cost. It would have to be a special order from Nordost because the longest one they make is 4 meters and it costs 18 thousand. The 601s are 15 thousand after tax. Anyway he suggested Kimber Kable. Sent me home with some and that's when I did the comparison with the system the 601s were going to replace. Back and forth between the Valhallas and Kimber. No one could tell the difference. Playing the same songs from my MCD500.



When wire costs more than the amps. .

How much were the Kimber?

[JBT]

Originally Posted by richardallred

How much were the Kimber?

960 for 24ft balanced.

[vintage_tube]

Originally Posted by JBT

When wire costs more than the amps. .

Tell me about it. A cool $43K in 3 cables; Odin PC Version 1's. I know, I'm an idiot. Next.

Best Sir,

Bob