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Old 05-11-2012, 08:09 PM
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Of course Doug... I can see how the Giya may warrant an excuse for any of the non linear flaws since you like them. If we measured it this way, if we measure it that way, if we put it here, we put it there.... In Russian, we have a saying "If my grandmother had testicles, she'd be a grandfather"... It's ok.. I understand, this whole audio business is nothing more than emotional, often non-tangible, scientifically unproven, non describable, biased, often way too subjective hobby and an addiction, a weakness of character... Very "human" actually.... At the end of the day, when you sit down to enjoy your system, the only thing that matters is if you like what the music sounds like when it hits your ears. Whatever skewed perception of what that "perfect sound" may be.... The rest is very subjective.
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:39 PM
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So I think I'm a music lover and a guy that wastes a lot of money on expensive gear. Not as much as many though.
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At the end of the day, when you sit down to enjoy your system, the only thing that matters is if you like what the music sounds like when it hits your ears. Whatever skewed perception of what that "perfect sound" may be.... The rest is very subjective.
Serge.......I am listening to the perfect system right now. My system!
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I have read many times in many places that Wilsons measure badly yet they are the best sounding speakers I have ever heard at their respective price points. How/why is this?
Let me say emphatically, Wilsons do not measure badly. I look at measurements. I pay attention to measurements. You cannot hear above 15,000 Hz, period. Nothing is audible to the ear above 15,000 Hz. I looked at Wilson measurements before I bought my Wilsons. I agree with Doug, you can hear measurements.
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Serge.......I am listening to the perfect system right now. My system!
Dan... That's not possible; I am

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Let me say emphatically, Wilsons do not measure badly. I look at measurements. I pay attention to measurements. You cannot hear above 15,000 Hz, period. Nothing is audible to the ear above 15,000 Hz. I looked at Wilson measurements before I bought my Wilsons. I agree with Doug, you can hear measurements.
There are current studies that indicate that our ears are not the only way we hear. I will try and locate a recent article that covered why we are sensitive to sounds above 20khz.

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Old 05-11-2012, 09:36 PM
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There are current studies that indicate that our ears are not the only way we hear. I will try and locate a recent article that covered why we are sensitive to sounds above 20khz.

Jim
I am glad that you agree that human hearing extends to the max 16,000Hz. I think the burden of proof rests on the person(s) that think that above that point it makes any real difference. I personally don't think it does and know it doesn't for my ears. But I do agree that it would be better to have a tweeter with the most extended response possible. (I think that's what DW is trying to achieve with the new tweeter.) But not at the expense of a broad peak in frequency response between 1,000 and 12,000 Hz as you see with Be tweeters as used, for example, in the Magico Q 5. That's precisely why you have to listen to them off axis.
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One thing I find amusing is when ever I look at any Vivid speaker, the first thing I think of is Fancy Paint Job and Fancy Cabinet, which they do very well.

If I only wanted a fancy paint job, I would choose the Vivid over the Wilson every time.
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Old 05-11-2012, 10:28 PM
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Lots of good points in this discussion and clearly, no one is going to change their opinion. I have made my positions clear, and I appreciate other views as well, but at this point, I'm out, as I think everything has been said. Thanks to everyone for their viewpoints.
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One thing I find amusing is when ever I look at any Vivid speaker, the first thing I think of is Fancy Paint Job and Fancy Cabinet, which they do very well.

If I only wanted a fancy paint job, I would choose the Vivid over the Wilson every time.


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