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Old 10-20-2017, 11:39 PM
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+1 on the REL sub. I have not heard their latest offerings and auditioning subs is not an easy task... I've always been impressed with their musicality and disappearing nature though so I don't doubt they are good.

Back in the day I went with the JL Audio subs and they were stupendously good too. Having a stereo pair with my SF Guarneri Memento's and two Fathoms dialed in to perfection had all the slam, impact, deep, tight and well articulated bass that I could have never achieved with a floorstanding speaker in that smaller room.

Big speakers with truly low bass capability just do not play well with smaller rooms. If one overshoots with a speaker for the room, not much can be done at that point. It will never sound balanced and I hate bloated, boomy bass. Once again, I find myself with a similar dimension room so I will take the tried and true path. Monitors like the 40's and a sub if need be.
Agree with everything you say. I'd start out with running the Special 40s full-range, and then see how you like things. Your points about bass output and room size is a very important consideration. That was one reason I mentioned the smaller REL; it should be easy to integrate, flesh out the lower end w/o overpowering the smaller room. The other thing I found to my surprise was how the lower mids and mids improved by adding my REL sub. BTW, the Special 40s will sound REALLY good with Gumby!
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Agree with everything you say. I'd start out with running the Special 40s full-range, and then see how you like things. Your points about bass output and room size is a very important consideration. That was one reason I mentioned the smaller REL; it should be easy to integrate, flesh out the lower end w/o overpowering the smaller room. The other thing I found to my surprise was how the lower mids and mids improved by adding my REL sub. BTW, the Special 40s will sound REALLY good with Gumby!
Yes, a great sub that is dialed in is not just about the bass! I used to use a Bryston 10B SUB crossover (not sure if they still make it? )with my two subs, SF monitors and JL subs. I was running the McIntosh MC501s back then. I believe I settled on somewhere around 80Hz and it was an active crossover and a serious tool for the job. To say that the midrange got better would be an understatement. Once you relieve your monitor speakers of doing the low and dirty work, those woofers are free to sing like they've never sung before..

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Yes, a great sub that is dialed in is not just about the bass! I used to use a Bryston 10B SUB crossover (not sure if they still make it? )with my two subs, SF monitors and JL subs. I was running the McIntosh MC501s back then. I believe I settled on somewhere around 80Hz and it was an active crossover and a serious tool for the job. To say that the midrange got better would be an understatement. Once you relieve your monitor speakers of doing the low and dirty work, those woofers are free to sing like they've never sung before..

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The Special Forty will be my second pair of Dynaudio if I decide to pull the trigger. I owned a pair of Dynaudio 72SE back in the day. The Special Forty is a better speaker to my ears. Time marches on, speakers do get better and better.
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Old 10-21-2017, 12:47 AM
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I’m a Dynaudio fan too. 5 years ago I owned a pair of original Confidence C1 speakers. Those were wonderful speakers, big step up compared with the Cremona Auditors they replaced. They responded well to power, like my current speakers, Contour 30. When I auditioned the Contour 20, I felt they were every bit as good as my old C1’s. The new Contours are an excellent value just as I’m sure the Special 40 is. A used Contour 20 or C1 is also a consideration. I just saw pair of C20s plus stands for $3500 on the gon. I will hopefully get my home re-model approved by HOA and convert garage into media room next year .... which means I will need larger speakers. The Contour 60s are on my short list.
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I’m a Dynaudio fan too. 5 years ago I owned a pair of original Confidence C1 speakers. Those were wonderful speakers, big step up compared with the Cremona Auditors they replaced. They responded well to power, like my current speakers, Contour 30. When I auditioned the Contour 20, I felt they were every bit as good as my old C1’s. The new Contours are an excellent value just as I’m sure the Special 40 is. A used Contour 20 or C1 is also a consideration. I just saw pair of C20s plus stands for $3500 on the gon. I will hopefully get my home re-model approved by HOA and convert garage into media room next year .... which means I will need larger speakers. The Contour 60s are on my short list.
I have to see what I can audition first because I could never buy speakers unheard. I have no doubt the C1s and C20s are great speakers but I would still have to give them a listen. Good luck with your project!
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Now that’s a sweet set up. Musical indeed!
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Analog: McIntosh MT10, Hana Umami Red
Phono preamp: Simaudio Moon 610LP, 820S
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Speakers: Wilson Sasha DAW, Dynaudio Contour 30, Dynaudio Contour 25C
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Nice setup! Lovely color too! I prefer this one to Red Birch High Gloss!
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