720P HD versus 1080P HD

[jfray]

Originally Posted by tigerhonaker

For those that have owned projectors that were 720P/1080i and then up graded to the newer 1080p just how much difference is there in the picture

If you use Dish Network and watching an HD movie which I now see in 1080i.
And you are watching the same movie with 1080p just how much difference is there ?

I think we all know if we were using different projectors and different screens all this would certainly effect what we saw.

So, I suppose I really am saying to those that had the 720p and watched movies from Dish Network in HD.
Then up graded to a 1080p projector of the same quality how much difference did you see ?

You only changed projectors, not your screen.

Next question ?

Going from a DVD player to the Blu-Ray player same movie.
How much difference is there actually between the two of them ?

I think I can ask these questions on this Site as this Site has Adults as members.
Versus some other sites that I will not name that one is reluctant to ask even a simple question.
(Because of the Childish Comments to the question ask)

Just trying to get a rough idea of what the real difference is and I'm sure many of you know.

tigerhonaker

I have a Sanyo Z4 projector (1080i) and 90" Dalite screen. You will notice a slight difference from 720p / 1080i to 1080p and will be improved with RUNCO, but is by no means dramatic.

Now going from DVD 480p to Blu-Ray 1080p you will SEE and HEAR a dramatic difference!

[tigerhonaker]

Originally Posted by chessman

Terry, like I said, it looks like one hell of a good projector you have coming. Major CONGRATS!

Just as a Heads-Up keep in mind this is not yet set in Stone.
So far all this has been over the phone.
Tomorrow afternoon will be Face-to-Face and a Contract.
From being in sales for over 30 yrs. I take No-Phone commitments as Fact.
In this case this same A/V Store did send off my current Runco for the Up-Grade 5-yrs. ago.
So I do know these people and expect all to go smooth.

Originally Posted by W9TR

DVD to Blu-Ray

The quality of the transfer and the quality of your scaler will drive your experience. The best Blu-Ray discs are better than the best DVD's, even with an exceptional scaler.

720p to 1080p
The secondary effects around improvements in projector performance will swamp the difference in many setups, strongly favoring the newer 1080p machines.

Tom

Thanks Tom !!!

Originally Posted by W9TR

You will love your new VX-11D and scaler! A huge improvement to what you are running now.

That is what I am thinking so surely both of us can't be wrong.

Originally Posted by jfray

I have a Sanyo Z4 projector (1080i) and 90" Dalite screen. You will notice a slight difference from 720p / 1080i to 1080p and will be improved with RUNCO, but is by no means dramatic.

Now going from DVD 480p to Blu-Ray 1080p you will SEE and HEAR a dramatic difference!

( You will notice a slight difference from 720p / 1080i to 1080p and will be improved with RUNCO, but is by no means dramatic)

Now that is what I am looking forward to seeing.
It has for yrs. now made me wonder if the cost was worth the actual performance difference.
As with any discussion with people the opinions vary to a little difference to a lot of difference.
I am hoping for a, (Very Noticeable-Difference) to be honest.
From the Specs and what reviews I have read about very similar Runcos
there should be a Very-Noticeable-Difference.
One thing for sure if all goes as planned I will certainly be finding out.
If there is not a noticeable difference watching HD on Dish the wife is going to look like this as She Beats Me

(Now going from DVD 480p to Blu-Ray 1080p you will SEE and HEAR a dramatic difference!)

You know I have not yet ever watched a Blu-Ray movie.
So this is going to be interesting for sure.

Thanks all,
Terry

[W9TR]

Terry,
I'm definitely in the "wow this will be huge step-up" camp. You will be going from a 10 year old single chip 720p Dark Chip 2 technology to a three chip 1080p Super Onyx DLP technology. I think you'll see vastly improved blacks and on/off contrast ratio - the two things I think make for an outstanding home cinema experience.

Enjoy!

Tom

[tigerhonaker]

Originally Posted by W9TR

Terry,
I'm definitely in the "wow this will be huge step-up" camp. You will be going from a 10 year old single chip 720p Dark Chip 2 technology to a three chip 1080p Super Onyx DLP technology. I think you'll see vastly improved blacks and on/off contrast ratio - the two things I think make for an outstanding home cinema experience.

Enjoy!

Tom

Hi Tom,

I am so new here that no one knows me at all.
I am a research the research type of fellow before I make a decision.
And based on all the reading I have done and I will add that has been a lot.
I agree this should be an "Out-Standing" sit back and Grin type of change.
And I did say I am in no way one of the Pros here on A/V.
But I do think I can read and get the general idea of a product.
And my now VX5000ci is in no way even close to the, (I-Hope) up coming VX-11d.
My opinion is these two projectors are just in completely different camps.
I'm so looking forward to watching HD on Dish and seeing what this Bad-Boy will do.

If this all goes as planned, below is what I am going to look like for this (Very-Very-Special Christmas).




Terry

[jfray]

Originally Posted by W9TR

Terry,
I'm definitely in the "wow this will be huge step-up" camp. You will be going from a 10 year old single chip 720p Dark Chip 2 technology to a three chip 1080p Super Onyx DLP technology. I think you'll see vastly improved blacks and on/off contrast ratio - the two things I think make for an outstanding home cinema experience.

Enjoy!

Tom

Tom,

I agree with you .... I was comparing 480p to older 1080p technology....

[enatai252]

Originally Posted by W9TR

Terry,
I'm definitely in the "wow this will be huge step-up" camp. You will be going from a 10 year old single chip 720p Dark Chip 2 technology to a three chip 1080p Super Onyx DLP technology. I think you'll see vastly improved blacks and on/off contrast ratio - the two things I think make for an outstanding home cinema experience.

Enjoy!

Tom

+1

I made the same switch a few months ago to same projector...big difference, especially in contrast on dark scenes

[jfray]

Originally Posted by enatai252

+1

I made the same switch a few months ago to same projector...big difference, especially in contrast on dark scenes

What is the contrast ratio on this RUNCO?

[tigerhonaker]

Originally Posted by jfray

What is the contrast ratio on this RUNCO?

http://www.runco.com/products/projec...oXtreme_VX-11d

Specifications

Model (Family)VX-11d (VideoXtreme Projectors)

Projector Type3-chip Texas Instruments Digital Light Processing™ (DLP), SuperOnyx™ DMD™

Native Resolution1920 x 1080 (1080p)

Aspect Ratios16:9, 4:3, Letterbox, VirtualWide, Cinema, VirtualCinema as determined by video processor

Video StandardsNTSC, PAL, SECAM, CEA-861D

DTV Compatibility480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i 50/60, 1080p, 24/50/60

Picture Size (16:9 Screens)Recommended Width: 72 - 120 in.

Maximum Width: 180 in.

Throw Distance Factor x Screen WidthProteus 1: Fixed 0.77:1 (for rear-screen applications)*

Proteus 2: Zoom 1.45 - 1.74:1

Proteus 3: Zoom 1.74 - 2.17:1 (with CineWide 1.30 - 1.63:1)

Proteus 4: Zoom 2.17 - 2.90:1 (with CineWide 1.63 - 2.17:1)

Proteus 5: Zoom 2.90 - 4.34:1 (with CineWide 2.17 - 3.26:1)

Proteus 6: Zoom 4.34 - 6.76:1 (with CineWide 3.26 - 5.07:1)

Horizontal & Vertical OffsetVertical: Up to 65% of image height down or up from screen center

Horizontal: Up to 30% of image width left or right from screen center

(Proteus 1 has no offset capabilities)

Light OutputCSMS Specifications: Home Theater Calibration: 1845 ANSI Lumens; 119 Foot-Lamberts (fL); 2,100 ANSI Lumens (uncalibrated)

Contrast RatioCSMS Contrast Ratio: >250:1 (ANSI); 10000:1 full-on, full-off (dynamic)

Lamp230/260W (selectable) HPM lamp

Lamp Life2000/3000 hours typical (Standard/Economy Mode)

InputsSee DHD4 Processor Specs

Power Requirements100 VAC to 240 VAC +/- 10% @ 50/60Hz & 400W maximum

Operating EnvironmentsTemperature: 50-104 °F (10-40 °C)

Humidity: 0-85% relative humidity (non-condensing)

DimensionsWidth: 21.13 in. (537 mm)

Depth: 25.25 in. (641 mm)

Height: 8.25 in. (2.35 mm) without feet

Weight55.5 lbs (25.2 kg) without lens

Regulatory ApprovalsFCC Part 15 Class B, UL, cUL, CB, RoHS, WEEE, local conformances as required

Limited WarrantyProjector: (2) Two years parts and labor from the date of shipment from Runco. Extended RuncoCare™, Red Carpet™, and
PremierCare™ also available.

Lamp Warranty1000 hours or (6) Six months, whichever comes first

ControlRuncoLink, Ethernet, RS-232, IR remote

CalibrationISF Certified Calibration Configuration

ProcessorRunco DHD4 Processor with Vivix™ technology and single cable display connectivity

Color Gamut> BT.709 (REC709)

Lens SystemMotorized focus, zoom, vertical and horizontal offset







Terry