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Old 04-14-2018, 11:22 PM
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First batches will be "Kind of blue" by Miles Davis and "The girl in the other room" by Diana Krall, both will be 30% more expensive than every other format and they still will sell like there's no tomorrow
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Let me get this straight. Instead of carving 0’s and 1’s onto metal, they are going to do it on self destructing vinyl and people are going to buy it, at a PREMIUM?

Yeah, Riiiiiiiiiiight
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Let me get this straight. Instead of carving 0’s and 1’s onto metal, they are going to do it on self destructing vinyl and people are going to buy it, at a PREMIUM?

Yeah, Riiiiiiiiiiight
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Will this make it sound as good as digital
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Digitizing analog.

I'll approach this next greatest thing with some skepticism.
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Let me get this straight. Instead of carving 0’s and 1’s onto metal, they are going to do it on self destructing vinyl and people are going to buy it, at a PREMIUM?

Yeah, Riiiiiiiiiiight
I'm in that camp too.

If they take the digital format and make it sound like vinyl because they changed the medium to vinyl, why not just tweak the original so the digital sounds like the vinyl on digital; unless its the clicks, pops and surface noise that you want?
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The HD vinyl process involves converting audio digitally to a 3D topographic map. Lasers are then used to inscribe the map onto the “stamper,” the part that stamps the grooves into the vinyl. According to Loibl, these methods allow for records to be made more precisely and with less loss of audio information. The results, he said, are vinyl LPs that can have up to 30 percent more playing time, 30 percent more amplitude, and overall more faithful sound reproduction. The technique would also avoid the chemicals that play a role in traditional vinyl manufacturing.


I’m trying to unpack this statement and a lot of it just doesn’t make sense to me. I get the part about using a laser process to make the stampers. That has real merit aside from the fact that there is a sampling / quantization process in the mix. This could be a really good thing.

Where my BS radar starts pinging is the statement about 30% more playing time, 30% more amplitude. Can’t have both, folks, and all this is possible with the exiting mastering techniques and cutting heads available today.

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The format sounds ripe to bring the loudness wars to vinyl. That “amplitude” statement worries me a lot.
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I took a course in vinyl disk mastering at the Institute of Audio Research in 1974. Many hours of learning the limitations of the medium and how to cut a master lacquer that could be turned into a record that would be as good as possible. They had a lathe and we got to cut a master lacquer but never had them turned into pressings.

If anyone thinks they can get more out of the vinyl medium and still use a standard phono cartridge, stylus and preamp with the RIAA playback curve, I'd love to see it.

I don't think it is physically possible, but I'm willing to read what they have to say.
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Where my BS radar starts pinging is the statement about 30% more playing time, 30% more amplitude. Can’t have both, folks, and all this is possible with the exiting mastering techniques and cutting heads available today.
I find it an interesting concept. If a laser cuts the stamper, then a cutting head isn't part of the process, right? And it isn't difficult to imagine that digital precision could make possible a more precisely manufactured stamper which might offer some advantage in playing time. Maybe. And which, once engraved, really is an analog signal.

I just visited a pressing plant yesterday - it was a very interesting place. I'll post some pics here soon.
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The current volume production vinyl process is:

Master Lacquer -> Metal Master -> Metal Mother -> Metal Stamper -> Vinyl Record

Each step involves multiple chemical conversion and electroforming processes that require great skill and control to perform consistently.

This new process could potentially eliminate every process before the Metal Stamper by directly laser engraving the Metal Stamper.

Might be a great quality improvement.

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