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Best Sir, Bob
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Amps:VAC 450iQ Monos in Silver Flake on HRS M3X2-1921's, HRS G7 Footers/G-Links & Sound Anchor Conecoasters. Preamp:VAC Statement (on order) (Silver Flake) Digital Source: dCS Rossini CD/SACD Transport, Vivaldi APEX DAC, Upsampler Plus & matching Clock (Silver) Analogue Preamp:VAC Renaissance SE Phono stage in Silver Flake with XLR Output Option & with Nordost Valhalla XLR's. Analogue Sources:SME 20/2 w/SME V arm & Nordost Odin 2 Tone Arm Cable, Palo Santos Presentation Cartridge & Akai GX-400D Reel-to-Reel w/relapped heads by JRF Magnetic Sciences. Akai RC-17 cabled remote (original owner since 1974). Vibration Control:TT on HRS M3X2-1921 shelf. Speakers:Wilson Audio Alexia V (on order in Ferrari Argento Silver/Parchment grills sitting on Acoustic Diode Kit). Power Cables:4 Nordost Odin Supreme Reference on amps, preamp & DAC. Ansuz Acoustics C2 on Transport & Clock. Power Distribution:Ansuz Mainz D3 Distributor & Ansuz Mainz C2 1M Power Cable Power Outlets:Furutech GTX-D NCF (R) duplex outlet, GTX Wall Plate & Duplex Cover (x2) on dedicated, same panel phase, 20A breakers. Speaker Cables:2M Nordost Odin 2 Supreme Reference on Nordost Sort Lifts. Signal Cables:Nordost Odin XLR's on dCS DAC & Amps. Digital Cables: Nordost Odin 2's, 110-ohm AES/EBU on dCS Transport to DAC. Clock Cables:5 each 75 ohm 1.25M Nordost Valhalla BNC/BNC Digital Ethernet Cable: WireWorld Platinum 1M Starlight® 8 Twinax Headphones:Vintage Koss Pro IV AA. RCM: Audio Desk PRO Tube Test Gear:Mint late '60's/calibrated Heathkit TT-1A, MaxiMatcher Power Amp & Preamp & Space Tech Labs ATT-3.02 tube test sets. |
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Forgive me, but didn't know I had the correct answer to your "proven" theory.
Best Sir, Bob BTW, 43 years ago -- as a GI making $550 a month, Bose, which was widely sold in military post exchanges and Marine Corps Hobby Shops, kept me in the game especially when considering their military pricing & 'drop shipment' ordering.
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Amps:VAC 450iQ Monos in Silver Flake on HRS M3X2-1921's, HRS G7 Footers/G-Links & Sound Anchor Conecoasters. Preamp:VAC Statement (on order) (Silver Flake) Digital Source: dCS Rossini CD/SACD Transport, Vivaldi APEX DAC, Upsampler Plus & matching Clock (Silver) Analogue Preamp:VAC Renaissance SE Phono stage in Silver Flake with XLR Output Option & with Nordost Valhalla XLR's. Analogue Sources:SME 20/2 w/SME V arm & Nordost Odin 2 Tone Arm Cable, Palo Santos Presentation Cartridge & Akai GX-400D Reel-to-Reel w/relapped heads by JRF Magnetic Sciences. Akai RC-17 cabled remote (original owner since 1974). Vibration Control:TT on HRS M3X2-1921 shelf. Speakers:Wilson Audio Alexia V (on order in Ferrari Argento Silver/Parchment grills sitting on Acoustic Diode Kit). Power Cables:4 Nordost Odin Supreme Reference on amps, preamp & DAC. Ansuz Acoustics C2 on Transport & Clock. Power Distribution:Ansuz Mainz D3 Distributor & Ansuz Mainz C2 1M Power Cable Power Outlets:Furutech GTX-D NCF (R) duplex outlet, GTX Wall Plate & Duplex Cover (x2) on dedicated, same panel phase, 20A breakers. Speaker Cables:2M Nordost Odin 2 Supreme Reference on Nordost Sort Lifts. Signal Cables:Nordost Odin XLR's on dCS DAC & Amps. Digital Cables: Nordost Odin 2's, 110-ohm AES/EBU on dCS Transport to DAC. Clock Cables:5 each 75 ohm 1.25M Nordost Valhalla BNC/BNC Digital Ethernet Cable: WireWorld Platinum 1M Starlight® 8 Twinax Headphones:Vintage Koss Pro IV AA. RCM: Audio Desk PRO Tube Test Gear:Mint late '60's/calibrated Heathkit TT-1A, MaxiMatcher Power Amp & Preamp & Space Tech Labs ATT-3.02 tube test sets. Last edited by vintage_tube; 08-06-2017 at 01:50 AM. |
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Here's the thread -- I'm not playing any music right now, but in my tiny cranium, I for instance can vividly recall like yesterday Eva Cassidy singing with a wooing sound in between lyrics. It felt like a ocean wave hitting me in the face. In demo'ing them, there were other instances where they shined, but the most memorable and OMG moment was her in that number. I about pee'd & from that point on, put Nordost Odin PC's & SC's on my bucket list. ![]() I've played that back in my mind hundreds of times. I know what cables can do & I want. https://www.audioaficionado.org/show...=nordost+odins Best Sir, Bob
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Amps:VAC 450iQ Monos in Silver Flake on HRS M3X2-1921's, HRS G7 Footers/G-Links & Sound Anchor Conecoasters. Preamp:VAC Statement (on order) (Silver Flake) Digital Source: dCS Rossini CD/SACD Transport, Vivaldi APEX DAC, Upsampler Plus & matching Clock (Silver) Analogue Preamp:VAC Renaissance SE Phono stage in Silver Flake with XLR Output Option & with Nordost Valhalla XLR's. Analogue Sources:SME 20/2 w/SME V arm & Nordost Odin 2 Tone Arm Cable, Palo Santos Presentation Cartridge & Akai GX-400D Reel-to-Reel w/relapped heads by JRF Magnetic Sciences. Akai RC-17 cabled remote (original owner since 1974). Vibration Control:TT on HRS M3X2-1921 shelf. Speakers:Wilson Audio Alexia V (on order in Ferrari Argento Silver/Parchment grills sitting on Acoustic Diode Kit). Power Cables:4 Nordost Odin Supreme Reference on amps, preamp & DAC. Ansuz Acoustics C2 on Transport & Clock. Power Distribution:Ansuz Mainz D3 Distributor & Ansuz Mainz C2 1M Power Cable Power Outlets:Furutech GTX-D NCF (R) duplex outlet, GTX Wall Plate & Duplex Cover (x2) on dedicated, same panel phase, 20A breakers. Speaker Cables:2M Nordost Odin 2 Supreme Reference on Nordost Sort Lifts. Signal Cables:Nordost Odin XLR's on dCS DAC & Amps. Digital Cables: Nordost Odin 2's, 110-ohm AES/EBU on dCS Transport to DAC. Clock Cables:5 each 75 ohm 1.25M Nordost Valhalla BNC/BNC Digital Ethernet Cable: WireWorld Platinum 1M Starlight® 8 Twinax Headphones:Vintage Koss Pro IV AA. RCM: Audio Desk PRO Tube Test Gear:Mint late '60's/calibrated Heathkit TT-1A, MaxiMatcher Power Amp & Preamp & Space Tech Labs ATT-3.02 tube test sets. Last edited by vintage_tube; 08-06-2017 at 02:28 AM. |
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+1 and then some!
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I can appreciate the R&D that goes into developing a cable, this alone offsets some the the cost. As an ex electronics engineer I experimented with countless multi and single cored cables with varying dielectrics. (I have three heavy boxes in the loft full of experimentations). Some of the successful ones were sold via Reference Imports UK. I don't do that now as solder fumes effects me far too much. It was fun trying though. I have huge respect for companies such as Wireworld etc. Cable technology has come a long way. Bravo!
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The unfortunate situation with high end cables is that some of them actually have advanced dielectric materials and conductor geometry / metallurgy that is well researched and goes beyond the normal bulk electrical parameters of inductance, resistance and capacitance. There is some really interesting cable engineering going on.
And then there are the network boxes. Beautifully crafted from rare hardwoods, these boxes contain lumped elements like inductors and capacitors that intentionally change the character of the music flowing through them. They are, in effect, tone controls. The picture below shows the inside of one of these boxes. It contains an inductor in series with one of the conductors. This will make the cable respond differently to different loudspeakers. As frequency increases, the impedance of the inductor will also increase, causing the high end to roll off. Smooth, baby. Point is, there are lots of options out there in cable land - and there are no right or wrong answers. That's what makes these discussions so interesting, despite the snarkyness that always follows close behind. ![]()
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All those pieces affect the sound. Even the connections affect the sound. And the cables ARE being used as "tone controls". If this were not the case why would a reviewer state the phrases of expanded soundstage, forward midrange and so on. I audition my prospective purchases by using my cables which I believe to be neutral. Why buy something you like for its "sound" with the idea that I want to change it. Just more money. This is my belief, As to the signal path. Two tonearm companies, Kuzma and Basis run their cables from the pin connections to the preamp inputs. Their belief. Thank you for the "tone control" reference.
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This conversation is fun especially since I was a cable skeptic until a couple of months ago. My dealer demo'd my current speaker cables compared to an equivalent to the inexpensive MIT speaker cables I had at the time. As you can see in my signature, it was a company with the inline magic box. The kicker is I took home a pair to demo in my system and my wife, who was a bigger skeptic than me, expressed hearing the exact same changes I heard, which included more accurate highs, without me telling her what I heard. If it's snake oil, magic gas, hocus pocus, or Tom foolery, I like what I hear. Oh, same happened with the power cords. I am still an IC skeptic...for now
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