McIntosh® to partner with Jeep® Grand Cherokee

[miatadan]

Originally Posted by jayvis1

Good luck with all electric in Canada, unless you only drive a short distance all of the time. Battery issues during our Midwest winters are numerous and I won't even consider one until battery technology advances and the recharging infrastructure improves greatly. It's a ways off yet. All electric vehicles are basically just urban commuter vehicles at this time.

Winter is non issue for me because range only cut in half during winter. Tesla supercharger station is 15 minutes away from where I live. 300-400 km range on 1 charge more than enough as never go past 30 kms during the day.


. They are better for the environment
. Electricity can be a renewable resource, gasoline cannot
. They require less expensive and less frequent maintenance.
. They are quieter than gas vehicles
. There are tax credits available for owners of electric cars
. There are special highway lanes in some places for electric cars

Only advantage for gas powered car is longer range.


I avoid gas, natural gas and cook with electric, heat with electric as it is better for the environment.

Dan

[PHC1]

Originally Posted by miatadan

Winter is non issue for me because range only cut in half during winter. Tesla supercharger station is 15 minutes away from where I live. 300-400 km range on 1 charge more than enough as never go past 30 kms during the day.


. They are better for the environment
. Electricity can be a renewable resource, gasoline cannot
. They require less expensive and less frequent maintenance.
. They are quieter than gas vehicles
. There are tax credits available for owners of electric cars
. There are special highway lanes in some places for electric cars

Only advantage for gas powered car is longer range.


I avoid gas, natural gas and cook with electric, heat with electric as it is better for the environment.

Dan

Canada is 61% Hydro and Tidal as far as electricity produced. Clean stuff. You guys are doing a good job up there.

Since Electricity for electric cars is still produced and not pulled out of thin air, one has to consider all aspects and net results. How it is sourced makes a huge difference in the end. Burning coal or wood to produce energy to charge an electric car is not a long term solution. It’s not exactly all roses and rainbows.

You guys obviously have a smaller economy so it’s no wonder we are 15 more times more polluting as far as CO2 as Canada but it’s still a big difference.

Now I will stop right here or once again it will be construed as political. We can’t have that as we can’t handle these subjects in a rational conversation.

[audioguy3107]

Originally Posted by PHC1

Now I will stop right here or once again it will be construed as political. We can’t have that as we can’t handle these subjects in a rational conversation.

Don't want Ivan to bring out the hammer.

- Buck

[miatadan]

Originally Posted by PHC1

Canada is 61% Hydro and Tidal as far as electricity produced. Clean stuff. You guys are doing a good job up there.

Since Electricity for electric cars is still produced and not pulled out of thin air, one has to consider all aspects and net results. How it is sourced makes a huge difference in the end. Burning coal or wood to produce energy to charge an electric car is not a long term solution. It’s not exactly all roses and rainbows.

You guys obviously have a smaller economy so it’s no wonder we are 15 more times more polluting as far as CO2 as Canada but it’s still a big difference.

Now I will stop right here or once again it will be construed as political. We can’t have that as we can’t handle these subjects in a rational conversation.

According to 2018 data by the Ontario Energy Board (OEB), the main electricity sources in Ontario are nuclear energy and water power. However, the province presents a very diverse grid of electricity sources. Check the detailed information below.

Nuclear energy: 58.3%
Water power: 23.9%
Wind: 8%
Natural gas: 6.2%
Solar: 2.3%
Bioenergy: 0.5%
Other: 0.8%

So in Ontario no Coal or Wood to produce hydro.

Manitoba Waterpower 97%. British Columbia Waterpower 88% and Yukon 95% Waterpower. Newfoundland and Labrador Waterpower also 95%

Dan

[miatadan]

Forgot to mention:

Prince Edward Island
Alongside British Columbia, Prince Edward Island is one of the greenest provinces in Canada when it comes to electricity generation. Almost 100 percent of its electricity production comes from wind farms.

Wind: 98.0%
Petroleum: 1.0%
Biomass or geothermal: Around 1.0%

So interesting fact for Prince Edward Island besides Anne of Green Gables

Dan

[PHC1]

Originally Posted by miatadan

According to 2018 data by the Ontario Energy Board (OEB), the main electricity sources in Ontario are nuclear energy and water power. However, the province presents a very diverse grid of electricity sources. Check the detailed information below.

Nuclear energy: 58.3%
Water power: 23.9%
Wind: 8%
Natural gas: 6.2%
Solar: 2.3%
Bioenergy: 0.5%
Other: 0.8%

So in Ontario no Coal or Wood to produce hydro.

Manitoba Waterpower 97%. British Columbia Waterpower 88% and Yukon 95% Waterpower. Newfoundland and Labrador Waterpower also 95%

Dan

My example was the US (coal and even a small amount of wood burning power plants) as we still have that in place. Major changes will not happen overnight and there are no clear cut solutions. The Texas fiasco with over 3 million people without electricity because of a cold front only confirms that fact.

The three major fossil fuels—petroleum, natural gas, and coal—combined accounted for about 77.6% of the U.S. primary energy production in 2017:

Natural gas: 31.8%
Petroleum (crude oil and natural gas plant liquids): 28%
Coal: 17.8%
Renewable energy: 12.7%
Nuclear electric power: 9.6%"

So chances are, in any foreseeable future, the electric car will be charged either from burning natural gas, crude oil or coal... In some places it may be renewable and nuclear.

It may feel good not to pollute driving one but for the time being, it is not going to make a big impact.

For Canada it may and you guys are putting out 15 times less C02 than us already.

[PeterMusic]

Originally Posted by PHC1

So chances are, in any foreseeable future, the electric car will be charged either from burning natural gas, crude oil or coal... In some places it may be renewable and nuclear.

It may feel good not to pollute driving one but for the time being, it is not going to make a big impact.

Actually, it has a huge impact, about as big as a person could do short of putting solar on their roof. First, electric is much cleaner than gas, even when the power is coming from fossil fuel plants. You can Google this, and then pick a source not funded by the oil industry. Second, buying an electric car supports a nascent industry that will benefit from economies of scale. You are helping to fund the major transition you have noted is necessary.

[PHC1]

Originally Posted by PeterMusic

Actually, it has a huge impact, about as big as a person could do short of putting solar on their roof. First, electric is much cleaner than gas, even when the power is coming from fossil fuel plants. You can Google this, and then pick a source not funded by the oil industry. Second, buying an electric car supports a nascent industry that will benefit from economies of scale. You are helping to fund the major transition you have noted is necessary.

By the time one takes into account how electricity is produced, what goes into mining the elements that make up the large batteries needed for the cars, since all of that process contributes to pollution as well and... disposing of those batteries eventually since they don't last forever to start the process over and over again, I am not convinced on the "large impact" based on anything I have read so far. But we all believe what we want to believe and there is no shortage of varying opinions out there, depending on who the sponsors of those ideas are.

Solar panels also require quite a bit of very dirty mining to be produced only to be disposed of eventually...

I have nothing against electric cars personally.

[PHC1]

Some concepts sound simple but they hardly ever are...


"In California, the cheapest power is produced at night, mostly from natural gas, hydroelectric dams and nuclear. Night is when many people will charge their electric cars. However, the greenest power gets generated during the day, when solar power can feed the grid; solar doesn’t work in the dark, windmills stop spinning if there’s no wind and, in today’s grid, there is almost no capacity to store solar and wind-generated electricity to use later. Grid storage is slowly expanding, but most electricity has to be used as it is produced."

[Cohibaman]

Lol...Waaaaay off the original McIntosh partnering with Jeep topic. 🤷🏼