NASCAR's Tony Stewart hits, kills driver

[eljr]

Originally Posted by chops-tube

Yes, I feel for kid's family, but I don't feel jack-squat for the kid. I also obviously feel for Tony Stewart, having to deal with the memory of this mess for the rest of his life just because of some stupid cocky kid.

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wow, just wow.

[djwhog]

EWW I feel even when bad people go down, just all around not a sucks, and Tony has to live with it too.

Sure we be diff to a degree if it was just a bad pile up, no that makes it good, but different. yuk, just yuk

[chops-tube]

Originally Posted by eljr

wow, just wow.

Why, because I'm "cold"? So be it.

Look, the kid went traipsing out in the middle of an active race track, in the dark. Mind you, a DIRT track with minimal available traction, especially at speed. What on earth was the kid thinking?! It's not like he was new to racing and how things work on the track, or how dangerous it is to go walking out on an active track. It's his fault and his fault alone. And to top it off, he stepped right out in front of Tony's moving car! The kid was a hot head and it got him kill. He probably had road rage when on the streets.

Now the stupid media and lawyers are going to have a field day with this, blow it up to more than it really was, get the kid's family all riled up and destroy Tony's life more than it may already be.

[Mikado463]

chops, while you may be right, you do realize that the young lad that got killed behaved in a manner no different than 'hot headed' Tony himself. I'm certainly not condoning his actions, but like everything on the internet…….. everybody's an expert ……. or a 'French Model' …...

[chops-tube]

Originally Posted by Mikado463

chops, while you may be right, you do realize that the young lad that got killed behaved in a manner no different than 'hot headed' Tony himself. I'm certainly not condoning his actions, but like everything on the internet…….. everybody's an expert ……. or a 'French Model' …...

Honestly, I never followed Nascar or dirt track racing ever, nor do I know much if anything about Tony and his history. With that said, I highly doubt he ever jumped out of his car in the middle of a race and go strutting out in the middle of a track when there's cars flying by at 150+ mph either.

And I've always thought of myself as more of a German model... A little mean and rough around the edges. LOL

[eljr]

Originally Posted by chops-tube

Why, because I'm "cold"? So be it.

Look, the kid went traipsing out in the middle of an active race track, in the dark. Mind you, a DIRT track with minimal available traction, especially at speed. What on earth was the kid thinking?! It's not like he was new to racing and how things work on the track, or how dangerous it is to go walking out on an active track. It's his fault and his fault alone. And to top it off, he stepped right out in front of Tony's moving car! The kid was a hot head and it got him kill. He probably had road rage when on the streets.

Now the stupid media and lawyers are going to have a field day with this, blow it up to more than it really was, get the kid's family all riled up and destroy Tony's life more than it may already be.

your coldness is off putting sure but your determination to blame the victim is worse and your dismissal of legal responsibilities in favor of your personal opinion is even more shocking.

Lot's wrong here to my way of thinking.

[chops-tube]

Originally Posted by eljr

your coldness is off putting sure but your determination to blame the victim is worse and your dismissal of legal responsibilities in favor of your personal opinion is even more shocking.

Lot's wrong here to my way of thinking.

If I jumped out in front of a Mack truck flying down the highway at 75 mph and I got creamed, then the truck driver gets thrown in the slammer for manslaughter? That isn't how it works. The truck driver wasn't responsible for my stupidity of jumping out in front of him. There's no one to blame but me.

Same thing with this kid and Tony. He stepped out in front of Tony's speeding car on dirt. It's his own stupid fault. No one to blame but himself. Tony might have sent the kid into the wall intentionally, but he's not a murderer.

Again, I don't know anything of his history or temper, but none of that means he would resort to murder, especially over a race with a kid that is absolutely no threat to Tony's career in any way, shape or form.

[Masterlu]

Paul Callan, a CNN legal analyst, is a former New York homicide prosecutor and a senior partner at Callan, Koster, Brady. Recently released this statement:

The evidence supporting criminal charges is conspicuously absent given what we now know about the case. Ward recklessly choose to walk into an active and highly dangerous racetrack exposing himself to injury or death. An experienced professional driver such as Stewart had a right to expect that his fellow drivers would conduct themselves in a safe and professional manner during the race.

Collisions are a common part of the race scene, and one would expect a driver in Ward's vulnerable position to get off the track and out of harm's way immediately. Stewart was, no doubt, shocked to see Ward in the roadway pointing in his direction as he approached the turn again. In fact, Stewart's car appears to fishtail slightly, indicating an attempt to avoid contact with Ward.
In determining whether Stewart's conduct was reckless or criminally negligent, the conduct of the other drivers in the race will be examined. They appear to be proceeding at a similar speed as Stewart under the yellow flag warning. They too were probably surprised to see Ward positioned in such a dangerous place.
The evidence supporting criminal charges is just not here. In the end, all signs point to a red flag for any criminal charges against Stewart in this tragic accident arising from America's most popular summer sport.

[Haurock]

Originally Posted by eljr

your coldness is off putting sure but your determination to blame the victim is worse and your dismissal of legal responsibilities in favor of your personal opinion is even more shocking.

Lot's wrong here to my way of thinking.

I can't agree with that. I am not sure what 'legal' responsibilities there are in this case. Of course if there was intent to harm, then that needs to be determined, but, there is little or no evidence supporting that theory. It appears to me to be more of a witch hunt. Why not blame the track owners because the dirt was too loose and contributed to the spin. We could go on, and on...

That said, Kevin Ward also has a responsibility. In my view, the manner in which he behaved himself, whether justified or not, placed him in a very precarious situation and, unfortunately, it cost him. No one else made him, walk out and confront race cars. That is on him.

I'm not a fan of Tony Stewart. He does have a reputation. But, being a 'bad boy' doesn't automatically imply that he did this on purpose. It really doesn't matter which driver hit Kevin Ward Jr., the only fact in evidence is that he placed himself in harm's way.

[AudioNut]

Originally Posted by chops-tube

If I jumped out in front of a Mack truck flying down the highway at 75 mph and I got creamed, then the truck driver gets thrown in the slammer for manslaughter? That isn't how it works. The truck driver wasn't responsible for my stupidity of jumping out in front of him. There's no one to blame but me.

Same thing with this kid and Tony. He stepped out in front of Tony's speeding car on dirt. It's his own stupid fault. No one to blame but himself. Tony might have sent the kid into the wall intentionally, but he's not a murderer.

Again, I don't know anything of his history or temper, but none of that means he would resort to murder, especially over a race with a kid that is absolutely no threat to Tony's career in any way, shape or form.

Hey Y'all,

Please remember that this forum is a "play nice" place.

Julian