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Old 09-09-2018, 10:45 AM
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Question on burn in, do you need to run a signal to it?


Yes. I use JRiver and hit shuffle to play files with various sample rates, bit rates and bit depths. This provides a complete burn-in of all stages, including the analog output. No need to have your amp(s) or preamp running though.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:21 PM
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Question on burn in, do you need to run a signal to it?
Yes. Just cue up 100 or so albums on your source and walk away for 4 days. Actually, it's fun to listen right out of the box, then check back every few hours to hear the change. Compared to its predecessor, mine sounded like an improvement right away, and then sounded amazing after a few days.

On a related note, Schiit advises that you leave her powered on continuously after burn in, which of course is the equivalent of a burn in without the signal. Though I am a tree-hugger, I have not tried turning her off and on, so I cannot opine on how big a difference this might make.
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All, I've been having a similar debate on which new DAC to add to my main rig. Either the Gumby Miltibit, or the latest Yggy.

Universally, it is easy to say get the "better" one, which I usually agree with.

My concern in the Yggy vs Gumby debate is I've found multiple sources that claim the Gumby and Yggy are almost voiced differently (whether intentional or not). More specifically, I hear that the Gumby is warmer. Less detailed than the Yggy (perhaps a bit more smeared)...but definitely a warmer presentation.



I like a warmer sound (over an analytical sound). I have battled brightness in my system and have often erred on the side of warm components.

Here is a video comparing the Yggy and Gumby where this point is made in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPzGj2m5eXs


So to sum up my thought - I'm not asking for what is "better" as that is subjective - can anyone comment if the Gumby really is smoother and warmer than the Yggy (and possibly more "luscious" or tube-like as a result?
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Old 09-13-2018, 01:23 PM
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All, I've been having a similar debate on which new DAC to add to my main rig. Either the Gumby Miltibit, or the latest Yggy.

Universally, it is easy to say get the "better" one, which I usually agree with.

My concern in the Yggy vs Gumby debate is I've found multiple sources that claim the Gumby and Yggy are almost voiced differently (whether intentional or not). More specifically, I hear that the Gumby is warmer. Less detailed than the Yggy (perhaps a bit more smeared)...but definitely a warmer presentation.



I like a warmer sound (over an analytical sound). I have battled brightness in my system and have often erred on the side of warm components.

Here is a video comparing the Yggy and Gumby where this point is made in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPzGj2m5eXs


So to sum up my thought - I'm not asking for what is "better" as that is subjective - can anyone comment if the Gumby really is smoother and warmer than the Yggy (and possibly more "luscious" or tube-like as a result?
Thanks for sharing the link. I will have to watch the video when I have a bit more time.
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Old 09-13-2018, 01:32 PM
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My concern in the Yggy vs Gumby debate is I've found multiple sources that claim the Gumby and Yggy are almost voiced differently (whether intentional or not). More specifically, I hear that the Gumby is warmer. Less detailed than the Yggy (perhaps a bit more smeared)...but definitely a warmer presentation.

I like a warmer sound (over an analytical sound). I have battled brightness in my system and have often erred on the side of warm components.

Here is a video comparing the Yggy and Gumby where this point is made in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPzGj2m5eXs

So to sum up my thought - I'm not asking for what is "better" as that is subjective - can anyone comment if the Gumby really is smoother and warmer than the Yggy (and possibly more "luscious" or tube-like as a result?
Jason.......This YouTube review was posted in October, 2017. The reviewer states the Yggdrasil he is using was purchased from a previous owner. This leads me to believe this is an original version Yggdrasil and not the new Analog 2 version of the Yggdrasil DAC with the Gen 5 USB upgrade and latest firmware update that began shipping in late October 2017. For your reference, the newest Schiit Yggdrasil DAC with the Analog 2 and Gen 5 USB upgrades are designated with a serial number that begins with the letter "B". The older Yggdrasil serial numbers begin with the letter "A".

The comments about the original Yggdrasil DAC sounding bright are typical of those who used the USB output. From what I have read, those who used the SPDIF outputs of the Yggy had no issues with any brightness. Schiit addressed the USB issue with the latest Gen 5 USB input and firmware updates. I can attest to the excellent performance of the new Yggdrasil Analog 2 version with the Gen 5 USB upgrade. There is absolutely no harshness, brightness, or analytical nature whatsoever with the newest Yggdrasil. Its sound is rich, organic and as smooth as silk. If you have not already read my Schiit Audio Yggdrasil Review you may find it quite interesting. The Analog 2 and Gen 5 USB upgrades in conjunction with the latest firmware updates puts the newest Yggdrasil DAC into an entirely new league. Don't let this YouTube review of an original Yggy DAC influence your opinion of the latest Yggdrasil DAC.
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Old 09-13-2018, 06:55 PM
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Thanks Dan!

Yup - I've definitely read your review...more than once.

I value your opinion BIG TIME -

Good point on the age of the Yggy...Gen 5 USB makes a big difference from what I read.

I've read a lot of folks saying the Gumby is smoother (and likely less detailed) than the Yggy, but perhaps much of that is coming from older units.

This hobby is a little nuts that way. I'm not super concerned about the cost difference...just very wary of introducing any brightness even at the expense of less detail if that's what it takes.

One other question - do you notice a significant difference in when your Yggy is powered on for several days vs. say a 30 minute warmup, or is that overblown on the web as well.

I have an unhealthy aversion to leaving electronics on 24/7, so that was a concern I had as well.


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Jason.......This YouTube review was posted in October, 2017. The reviewer states the Yggdrasil he is using was purchased from a previous owner. This leads me to believe this is an original version Yggdrasil and not the new Analog 2 version of the Yggdrasil DAC with the Gen 5 USB upgrade and latest firmware update that began shipping in late October 2017. For your reference, the newest Schiit Yggdrasil DAC with the Analog 2 and gen 5 USB upgrades are designated with a serial number that begins with the letter "B". The older Yggdrasil serial numbers begin with the letter "A".

The comments about the original Yggdrasil DAC sounding bright are typical of those who used the USB output. From what I have read, those who used the SPDIF outputs of the Yggy had no issues with any brightness. Schiit addressed the USB issue with the latest Gen 5 USB input and firmware updates. I can attest to the excellent performance of new Yggdrasil Analog 2 version with the Gen 5 USB upgrade. There is absolutely no harshness, brightness, or analytical nature whatsoever with the newest Yggdrasil. It's sound is rich, organic and as smooth as silk. If you have not already read my Schiit Audio Yggdrasil Review you may find it quite interesting. The Analog 2 and Gen 5 USB upgrades in conjunction with the latest firmware updates puts the newest Yggdrasil DAC into an entirely new league. Don't let this YouTube review of an original Yggy DAC influence your opinion of the latest Yggdrasil DAC.
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One other question - do you notice a significant difference in when your Yggy is powered on for several days vs. say a 30 minute warmup, or is that overblown on the web as well.

I have an unhealthy aversion to leaving electronics on 24/7, so that was a concern I had as well.
Jason.......My Yggdrasil DAC has been powered on continuously since day one. In fact, I power it from an APC UPS so that it never loses power. Consequently, I cannot tell you if the DAC sounds good immediately after being energized from stone cold. Schiit Audio recommends the DAC remain energized. There is no serious power being consumed so I am not worried about that. I like that no matter when I decide to play music on the living room system the DAC, transport, and music server are at their prime operating temperatures.

I am confident you would be more than thrilled with the newest Yggdrasil DAC. Like you, I do not like bright, harsh, abrasive sound in any way, shape or form. That is what is so remarkable about the new Yggdrasil. It tells the truth. It doesn't warm up the sound, roll off the top end, enhance the bottom. It delivers what has been recorded embellishment free. Music sounds real, voices sound real, dynamics are authentic, background silence is jet black quiet. It is all there. I am not trying to sell you a Yggy. I am simply expressing my personal take on the experience I have with my Yggdrasil. It is an astonishing DAC.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:13 AM
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Thank you Dan.

I’m anxious to hear a Yggy in my system someday soon!

I’d love to find a current model pre-owned - (pre-burned in


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Jason.......My Yggdrasil DAC has been powered on continuously since day one. In fact, I power it from an APC UPS so that it never loses power. Consequently, I cannot tell you if the DAC sounds good immediately after being energized from stone cold. Schiit Audio recommends the DAC remain energized. There is no serious power being consumed so I am not worried about that. I like that no matter when I decide to play music on the living room system the DAC, transport, and music server are at their prime operating temperatures.

I am confident you would be more than thrilled with the newest Yggdrasil DAC. Like you, I do not like bright, harsh, abrasive sound in any way, shape or form. That is what is so remarkable about the new Yggdrasil. It tells the truth. It doesn't warm up the sound, roll off the top end, enhance the bottom. It delivers what has been recorded embellishment free. Music sounds real, voices sound real, dynamics are authentic, background silence is jet black quiet. It is all there. I am not trying to sell you a Yggy. I am simply expressing my personal take on the experience I have with my Yggdrasil. It is an astonishing DAC.
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If you're leaning toward Gumby, I'm sure that you won't be disappointed by its sound in ANY way. I use one in my system (Gen 5 version) using the USB input primarily and it sounds great. While it may leave some performance "on the table" relative to the Yiggy, it is a stellar performer and very analog like in its presentation. I've not heard the Yiggy in my system, so I can't comment on the differences. I'm sure that Yiggy is "better", but the Gungnir MB is a great sounding and very "listenable" DAC.
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