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Old 04-10-2018, 05:56 PM
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The best I have ever heard Alexandrias were in a room just a bit smaller than that. In terms of soundstage depth, width and accurate and articulate bass response, it was much more impressive than any other Wilson speakers in smaller rooms. Why would a small room be better? Those Master Chronosonics are huge and meant for large spaces. With the Thor's Hammers backing them up, that acoustic space with those speakers should recreate almost a full scale orchestra easily.
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As I stated it might be an impressive demo but a better set-up could/should be obtained in a large but not a ballroom sized venue. That set-up might be good for large crowds but I believe dialing them in for a smaller sweet spot would work best. I wonder if Bill P. might chime in on what they best sized (as well as treated) room might be.
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Old 04-10-2018, 05:58 PM
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I wonder if Bill P. might chime in on what they best sized (as well as treated) room might be.
Especially since he's stage left in the photo.

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Same comment that I posted in the other thread.
That might be an impressive demo but I would think that is far from the best room/set-up to get the most out of those speakers and amps.
Jim I must say that I am somewhat confused by your comment. What is it about the picture that convinces you this just couldn't work? You can't tell virtually anything about the room from the picture. In fact, the issues that we were able to tame are not at all visible in the picture.

For the record, I have now been involved with the set up of more WAMMs than anyone. That is to say I have heard them in more rooms than anyone. It's very easy to understand what the room is doing in all of them. Is this one perfect? No. Is is good enough to give a view of the WAMM on a level similar to what is accomplished in the Wilson Music Room? Absolutely!
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Jim I must say that I am somewhat confused by your comment. What is it about the picture that convinces you this just couldn't work? You can't tell virtually anything about the room from the picture. In fact, the issues that we were able to tame are not at all visible in the picture.

For the record, I have now been involved with the set up of more WAMMs than anyone. That is to say I have heard them in more rooms than anyone. It's very easy to understand what the room is doing in all of them. Is this one perfect? No. Is is good enough to give a view of the WAMM on a level similar to what is accomplished in the Wilson Music Room? Absolutely!
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You did not understand my comments. I understand it was a demo. I understand and stated they probably sounded impressive. But I doubt any of the WAMM's you have set up for the fortunate few were placed in homes with rooms half the size of a basketball court? Are you saying Wilson's WAMM's customers want their rooms set up with a sweet spot 6-8 or10 chairs wide?

I guess I misunderstood how WAMM's were going to be shown and sold.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:31 PM
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As I stated it might be an impressive demo but a better set-up could/should be obtained in a large but not a ballroom sized venue. That set-up might be good for large crowds but I believe dialing them in for a smaller sweet spot would work best. I wonder if Bill P. might chime in on what they best sized (as well as treated) room might be.
Jim, you make a good point as does Serge. But whatever the room, you play the hand you are dealt.

As for the WAMM, the set up is done for a chosen listening spot. We do not expand that based on the size of the room. The more precise we are in the alignment of that spot, the better it will be outside that spot.

That room in Hong Kong was huge. Further, some of its aspects limited the areas within which we had to work. Still Peter started the demo with Vivaldi's Four Seasons, Summer, I. Allegro non molto (BIS CD-275) to demonstrate the ability to be intimate as well as to scale to a very large size. It was breathtaking, especially with Master Subsonics engaged.

The WAMM has an uncanny ability to portray the image in front of you based on your seating position. When you are off center, it is as if you are sitting stage left or right in a hall. It most decidedly is not like moving in front of one speaker or the other as you would expect with a normal stereo system.

With all that said, we could have tried to scale smaller, but why? The WAMM is scary in its ability to show honest scale. Besides had we done that, I'm sure the young man who ordered one based on Enter Sandman would not have been as impressed with those self induced limitations.

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You did not understand my comments. I understand it was a demo. I understand and stated they probably sounded impressive. But I doubt any of the WAMM's you have set up for the fortunate few were placed in homes with rooms half the size of a basketball court? Are you saying Wilson's WAMM's customers want their rooms set up with a sweet spot 6-8 or10 chairs wide?

I guess I misunderstood how WAMM's were going to be shown and sold.
Jim, you completely misunderstand.

1) This is the first time WAMM demos have been done for more that 4 people at a time.
2) People have an opportunity to move around during and after the set demo.
3) See my previous post for set up methodology. Wilson never advocates setting up a "sweet spot" 6-8 chairs wide.

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Jim, you make a good point as does Serge. But whatever the room, you play the hand you are dealt.

As for the WAMM, the set up is done for a chosen listening spot. We do not expand that based on the size of the room. The more precise we are in the alignment of that spot, the better it will be outside that spot.

That room in Hong Kong was huge. Further, some of its aspects limited the areas within which we had to work. Still Peter started the demo with Vivaldi's Four Seasons, Summer, I. Allegro non molto (BIS CD-275) to demonstrate the ability to be intimate as well as to scale to a very large size. It was breathtaking, especially with Master Subsonics engaged.

The WAMM has an uncanny ability to portray the image in front of you based on your seating position. When you are off center, it is as if you are sitting stage left or right in a hall. It most decidedly is not like moving in front of one speaker or the other as you would expect with a normal stereo system.

With all that said, we could have tried to scale smaller, but why? The WAMM is scary in its ability to show honest scale. Besides had we done that, I'm sure the young man who ordered one based on Enter Sandman would not have been as impressed with those self induced limitations.

Hope this helps.

Bill

I flew from Singapore to Hong Kong specially just for the WAMM demostration.
It is very difficult to get good performance from the far from ideal demo room condition. I was not impressed when I attended the first session (as the sitting position was no good).
The following day, I attended the second session (with the sitting position advised by WA) and it was much better and I enjoyed it.

Having said that, I left the place and I was fully convinced that I did not hear the full potential of WAMM as it is still not “as good as” my XLF speaker, which is 1/3 the price of WAMM

However, I was very honored that Peter played specially for me (before he started the formal demo to the group) Mahler Symphony No.5 recorded by him.
Thank you Peter for your kind gesture!
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I flew from Singapore to Hong Kong specially just for the WAMM demostration.
It is very difficult to get good performance from the far from ideal demo room condition. I was not impressed when I attended the first session (as the sitting position was no good).
The following day, I attended the second session (with the sitting position advised by WA) and it was much better and I enjoyed it.

Having said that, I left the place and I was fully convinced that I did not hear the full potential of WAMM as it is still not “as good as” my XLF speaker, which is 1/3 the price of WAMM

However, I was very honored that Peter played specially for me (before he started the formal demo to the group) Mahler Symphony No.5 recorded by him.
Thank you Peter for your kind gesture!

Wow that must have been a great experience. Okay now regarding the statement that the WAMM didn't sound "as good" as your XLF. Isn't that obvious? How many times have we said that at a demo in a large room? Place your XLF's in that room and what would the outcome be then? Better yet have the WAMM in your system and then tell us your impression?
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