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Old 02-20-2020, 07:07 AM
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And I had no idea what I was unleashing on the world when I started this thread



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Old 02-20-2020, 08:41 AM
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But I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of audiophiles who have heard speakers of that calibre with Dag, Constellation, Soulution, Dartzeel, Pass, Gryphon and other more transparent, albeit much more expensive, amps would agree that you are driving a Ferrari with snow tires. Uh oh---here he comes....
Oh hell, here we go......unleash the grizzly bear!

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Old 02-20-2020, 10:09 AM
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Also, I like to mention something about Mac. The nasty word "scrim" was used in reference to the Mac sound earlier in this thread. I never heard this word before and I have a fairly large vocabulary. Looked it up on Google: coarse, harsh, opaque. This in reference to Mac when compared to AR.

Let's consider one of my main channels. Nothing but pure Wel Signature beginning with the AES/EBU digital cable, then the Wel IC (retail, 14,200.00 then the Wel speaker cable 19,000.00 retail). Wel Signature is solid silver and very heavy guage.

Niagara 7000 power conditioner (8,000.00) all Dragon pc's HC or source where appropriate.

The Dragon pc's are mostly solid silver.

The Niagara 5000 is 4,000.00. The 2 HC Dragons are 13,900.00 for a total of 17,900.00 and the grand total is 55,000 for one channel. This does not include the Niagara 7000 but does include the pc for the MCD1100. Total is about 55,000.00 per channel but let's round down to 50,000.00 per channel because of some overlap.

This is very expensive top line gear. Silver is known for transparency and coolness compared to copper.

The speakers are XVX Chronosonics. I maintain that if Mac's truly were scrimmy, I have a system that would immediately reveal any scrimmyness, whatsoever.

My system is smooth with zero scrimyness. In addition it is exceedingly transparent and dynamic. Some of you in fact most of you can't remotely match my cables or speakers in quality, IMO. You have bought AR to soothe the gear in your system that Mac otherwise exposes as scrimmy.

You come on the website to tout your AR and its superiority over Mac but you have never encountered someone like me who's calling you into account and taking exception.

Dags are IMO very transparent and have no flaws, again my opinion. I could without hesitation swap out my Macs for Dags. What I would wind up with is a more intense front of the auditorium presentation but with zero scrimyness or anything else, again my opinion, because I have heard and lived with the old Krell for years.

However with Mac I can achieve the similar result by turning up the volume about a decibel.

There is no limit to how loud I can play my XVXes without my Mac producing scrimmyness. When Mac says that their sound is the sound of the music itself I have found them correct.

Hope you enjoy and I liked the bear pic a lot.


Charles....you have a lot of money invested in your system and I am glad you enjoy it....the XVX speakers are incredible and you clearly have invested in all aspects of the wiring and power. I am curious what testing you did on your preamp....I find it hard (IMHO) to believe you are getting the most out of your significant investment with the digital preamp you use....at your level of system value you should at least do a home loan demo from your dealer of a D’ag preamp and dCS digital stack....I think you will be surprised
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George you trouble maker!!! How dare you suggest you heard a difference and preferred one piece of gear over another. 😎
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:54 AM
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If we've learned anything from this thread its that Charles will NOT give it a rest! But then again no one else will either so carry on!



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Oh yeah ... gonna have to change my system signature again soon! Still no AR though ... sorry Charles!


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At lease you and Charles agree on speaker brand.
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I hope this thread goes on forever. One thing that I don't think adds to the conversation is putting retail $$ next to every piece of equipment as if that is evidence of superior sound. It's all about what comes out of the speakers, not the wallet.

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Old 02-20-2020, 01:44 PM
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I hope this thread goes on forever. One thing that I don't think adds to the conversation is putting retail $$ next to every piece of equipment as if that is evidence of superior sound. It's all about what comes out of the speakers, not the wallet.

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I hope this thread goes on forever. One thing that I don't think adds to the conversation is putting retail $$ next to every piece of equipment as if that is evidence of superior sound. It's all about what comes out of the speakers, not the wallet.

Cheers!


Funny thing is that it has been going on for decades in various forms and forums.
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