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This Whole Power Thing is CrAzy!
I wish to install a dedicated line to my listening room and making a decision on what to do is driving me a bit crazy. Perhaps forum readers can provide some of their experiences here.
There are some who think that a 30amp dedicated line might be better alternative than a 20amp line. Thats the first question that I need to answer. The second question is how many lines to run. I have read that there is a benefit to running more than one dedicated line (for example, one for the power amps, second for source, third for video, etc). This creates a question: If I'm going to run my equipment through a Shunyata Hydra plugged into a PS Audio Power Plant so that I can take advantage of these products, then it appears that only one dedicated line would be needed to run my entire system. One more line would necessitate having to purchase another Power Plant, Hydra, power cords, etc. With that said, why even add a second dedicated line? Thoughts/Feedback? |
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A 30A service will require different plugs/receptacles. 20A is the name of the game for what we are used to in a standard 15/20A "plug."
Depending on how much total current/wattage you are drawing, you may not need more than one - however, the cost difference for running a second set of power cable is minor. In other words - do it right the first time, and come time to upgrade, you won't have to take the major added expense of running another circuit from scratch. A lot of us just put in the second circuit because we knew what would happen in the future and absorbed the minor cost increase for the cable now. (of course, if you are already running at the point of capping the PPP's power delivery capability, you would be wise to double up on all the power options)
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Use them, of course. Keep adding for as many circuits as you install. Your 2301's will love you for it.
Just because you have a dedicated circuit does not mean you don't need power conditioning or AC regeneration.
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Donot use the Shunyata and Power Plant in unison. There is a possibility of them interacting adversely. Use them on seperate circuits and you will be fine.
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Chad...I was going to ask you why you are daisy chaining the Hydra into the PPP? You may be impacting system dynamics (most likely) but maybe other system performance as well. The PPP is an active AC regenerator whereas the Hydra is a passive power conditioner. Each technology has its proponents. I would do what Tom said which is use both separately. In fact, I would do a number of experiments: 1) Plug everything into PPP (as long as current draw across the system does not exceed its capacity) 2) Plug everything into the Hydra 3) Plug your amps into one and source/pre in other unit and vice vera See if you have a preference for one unit over the other. If so, sell the one you disliked and buy another unit of the conditioner you liked. Finally, if you figure out you like one vs. the other, the other experiment is to plug you MC2301s into the wall and your source and pre into the power conditioner and see if you get improved dynamics. Just a suggestion. |
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[QUOTE=cmalak;137592]Finally, if you figure out you like one vs. the other, the other experiment is to plug you MC2301s into the wall and your source and pre into the power conditioner and see if you get improved dynamics.
QUOTE] Hi Cyril - I was planning on plugging each amp into their own dedicated line and then plug all of the sources into the Hydra. That was until someone told me that amps benefit most from being plugged into the Hydra, more so than the source equipment. By the way, I mispoke and should have been clearer. I have not plugged the Hydra into the Power Plant. What I meant to say is: if I only put in ONE dedicated circuit (not three/four), then to take advantage of the power conditioning equipment everything would need to be plugged into that ONE single outlet. This is what has me all confused. CH Last edited by chadhaas; 01-31-2011 at 07:03 PM. |
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20 Amp dedicated lines, and lots of them. Amplifiers on one or more, sources on another.
Expansion is inevitable.
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I think it's a good idea. Codes differ but a rule of thumb is 10 receptacles on a 15amp circuit and 13 on a 20 amp. Many homes have dedicated circuits anyway like your fridge and some have a freezer. Those plugs are mounted chest high to distinguish them.
It wouldn't be that bad. You can find companies/people that charge a $100 to run a circuit. If you are lucky the panel is close to where the room is. Then your lights wouldn't dim. LOL On a side note, does anybody use a whole house Surge Suppressor? They are easy to install with 3 to 4 wire at the panel and can be had for $150. The one that goes on your electric meter "Meter socket surge suppressor" install in minutes and need no wiring is MY fav. They can be had for $50 to $100. Great for peace of mind. Leviton Meter Socket Surge Arrester Suppressor 120/240V 200A 5-Jaw 50240-FAA Also many utility companies will install them for $5 to $6 a month.
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