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The 30 triode watts do have a very bold control over the Tanny's and bass is super nice, at least to my liking. No dry, overly dramatic bass notes here, it simply recreates the body of any bass instrument with more naturalness and less drama. The texture and harmonics of the lower octaves are more fleshed out with the delicious roundness, harmonic bloom and "wetness". |
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Stephen, it will be interesting to hear how much more magic Shindo call pull off.
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Hi Serge,
Yes, you discovered the magic of a well designed SET amp. For myself, I regret it very much but finally I will have to let the Verdier's go. Stephen and Alberto, I was about to pm you about that but Serge gave me an opportunity to mention it here. I finally don't keep them for 2 reasons : - the voices were voiced a bit too high, with some kind of peak in the high mids. Switching back to the Mcs gave me more naturalness. The voices are more true to the reality with the 2301's and that is very important for me. - instrumental music was more intoxicating than the 2301's in a way difficult to describe. They seem to connect with your emotions in a more direct way. But after 10 days, I realized that the price to pay for it was too high for me : some recordings were not sounding good at all compared to the 2301's. I have read these "mixed emotions" that would bring SET amps on a review the web ( I think I could find the link and send it to you ) and it described perfectly what happened to me. First I loved them with everything. Then, after some days, I discovered that the sound of some recordings was completely out of the game. While others were still sounding wonderful. To summarize, these amps are extremely transparent generally speaking and they are all but forgiving. Less than perfect recordings sound truly "less than perfect" . I realized that I preferred much more the overall more forgiving sound of the 2301's. From what Alberto and Stephen describe, I doubt that Shindo SET amps could sound this way. And I will be very curious to read your comments on the Ayon as time goes by and you listen to more and more recordings.... Cheers,
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That is an incredible sounding amp, best tube amp I've heard yet.
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First of all, good of you to trust your ears and not give in to "peer pressure" - bad name for it, but you get the idea. Second, Stephen and I have very different amps. While the Shindo preamps just get "better" as you go up the line, the power-amps have their own sonic signature - there is not better or worse, just "I like this better." The Montille and the Cortese sound like two VERY different amps. What surprises me a LOT is that the Verdier SET sounded non-forgiving to you. That's the opposite from my experience with SETs - they are quite forgiving - that's why I love them. All the SET's I've heard smooth bad recordings, the better ones manage to do the smoothing without sacrificing detail. Typically, the people who give up on SETs do so because some of them lack the "SLAM" of push-pull or because they are too forgiving. Interesting results Jerome. Good things you had an in-home audition, that's always the safest thing to do when you are not sure. Wow, lots of interesting development - can't wait to see what happens next on AA . Alberto |
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Serge...sorry for hijacking the thread. |
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They had slam for sure, but less than the 2301's and you would not be surprised at this. About the forgiving part, yes I was finally surprised myself. maybe it comes from a bad speaker match with the PMC. But I think more about the extreme transparency of these amps. When I connected them to the MDA1000 variable outputs, the sound was just awful. Connected again to the C1000, it was magic and wonderful....on some recordings and less than good on others. First time I hear so much difference between the MDA 1000 internal preamp and the C1000P. The level of transparency of these amps is out of this world. This could be the reason why I had these findings finally.
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Serge,
Sorry to hijack ypur thread.....AGAIN ! But my remarks are about a SET amp, and I thought you could be interested in it....
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I think that you are absolutely right !
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Jerome, I am not surprised at your findings. The speakers have to be designed with low tube wattage use from the get go or the results will be unpredictable. No wonder some recordings may have sounded good while others did not. It's not even the efficiency as much as it is the tube friendly impedance curve that doesn't load the amp down that matters the most. 4 ohm nominal impedance does not work very well with most lower powered tubes, especially single ended triodes. That usually means that there is a dip even lower than 4 ohms somewhere and exactly how low, is hard to say but tubes are not very good current sources like solid state amps are. The 4 ohm speakers make it easier for the solid state amps which produce more power into lower impedance. The 2301's may be ok since they are push-pull and are 300w after all, not 30w.
I am surprised that Mr. Verdier didn't mention that to you. Sure his SET amps worked on your speakers in terms of making sound but was it an optimal situation? |
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