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Old 12-28-2018, 06:27 PM
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The more I read from McGowan, the less I think of his opinions. I would say if he doesn't like a product, it's likely to sound great to many others.
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Old 12-28-2018, 08:41 PM
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While I don’t always agree with Paul, I feel he is entitled to his opinions and is as much an audiophile as any of us are. He has seen and heard many pieces of equipment in hundreds of rooms. He has earned a little respect if only for his long commitment to our hobby.
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Old 12-28-2018, 08:44 PM
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While I don’t always agree with Paul, I feel he is entitled to his opinions and is as much an audiophile as any of us are. He has seen and heard many pieces of equipment in hundreds of rooms. He has earned a little respect if only for his long commitment to our hobby.
I agree.
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Old 12-29-2018, 12:44 AM
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I agree with Serge, define Hi-End ? All speakers are colored somewhat absolutely . I have 3 pairs of Sonus Faber Speakers, see signature below so I guess I am a fan of what the brand used to make not so much the recent generation. I think the company is riding on the reputation it used to have. The Pryma head phones were a purchase I made that I regret . Since the company merged with Mcintosh it has lost in my opinion, the magic touch of Franco Serblin and I hope they get some of it back.
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Old 12-29-2018, 09:43 PM
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The new SF Aida is the only speaker that I know of that I would consider in my room as a replacement for my Alexx. However, it probably has too much low and mid bass to be compatible with my Thor. Mike Fremer gave it a superb review (A+++) in a recent Stereophile but it did have a very peaked bass in his room. I believe SF has moved on to a more accurate less romantic sound. Kudos to them. Live in the present not the past. To say the SF is not the epitome of "highend" is just plain silly. It's like saying Mercedes is not a luxury brand or Ferrari is not a sports car company.

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Old 12-29-2018, 10:54 PM
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If the Arnie Nudell speakers in the PS Audio room at RMAF are an indication of what Paul thinks of as “high end” speakers, I can understand why he wouldn’t care so much for SF. To each his own.
Ha! I agree. That being said. I've never been a fan of the SF sound. The only ones I've ever liked very much were the Aida's at Ivan's and at RMAF. I'm looking forward to hearing yours, Tony! Maybe you'll open my eyes, I've never heard your model.
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Old 12-30-2018, 07:57 AM
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Sonus Faber top line > Guarnieri, Serafino, Amati Tradition are sure high end.

Are the top speaker for McIntosh electronic.
Olimpia and the models below are not my favorite sure not really high end.

Pmc with Mc are too a great macht.
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Old 12-30-2018, 08:24 AM
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The new SF Aida is the only speaker that I know of that I would consider in my room as a replacement for my Alexx. However, it probably has too much low and mid bass to be compatible with my Thor. Mike Fremer gave it a superb review (A+++) in a recent Stereophile but it did have a very peaked bass in his room. I believe SF has moved on to a more accurate less romantic sound. Kudos to them. Live in the present not the past. To say the SF is not the epitome of "highend" is just plain silly. It's like saying Mercedes is not a luxury brand or Ferrari is not a sports car company.

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Just because something is new does not always mean it is better. Living in the past is not an accurate statement when your talking speakers less than a decade old. More accurate sound, what does that even mean ? less midrange and more forward high's ? What makes that sound better? I go to a concerts and I would'nt say oh this music doesn't sound accurate because it sounds the same as it did in the 80's ie rock bands. Its all just someones opinion. Romantic sound is another term repeated on forums, if having jazz and classical music sound good is romantic sounding what is wrong with that ? Playing a trumpet by say Chris Botti on a more forward sounding tweeter can make you turn the volume down really fast.
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Just because something is new does not always mean it is better. Living in the past is not an accurate statement when your talking speakers less than a decade old. More accurate sound, what does that even mean ? less midrange and more forward high's ? What makes that sound better? I go to a concerts and I wouldn't say oh this music doesn't sound accurate because it sounds the same as it did in the 80's ie rock bands. Its all just someones opinion. Romantic sound is another term repeated on forums, if having jazz and classical music sound good is romantic sounding what is wrong with that ? Playing a trumpet by say Chris Botti on a more forward sounding tweeter can make you turn the volume down really fast.
David.......I agree with you. Some folks have to minimize the choices of others in order to make themselves feel good about the choices they made. Kindergarten playground stuff, "My speakers are better than your speakers. Ha, ha, ha." Like I've always said, the only person who must be happy with my sound systems is me. I can't hear anyone else's sound system from my home, and that's just fine by me.

As for Paul McGowen's comments about high-end speakers, who really gives a hoot. Sure he is a respected audio equipment manufacturer and is certainly due the respect of his work and achievements, but sound is extremely subjective and cannot be homogenized down to a specific point where everyone agrees a certain speaker is the one to own. I'm sure all of Paul's employees nod yes when Paul speaks. The rest of the world doesn't work for Paul so no reason to march to his personal drumbeat. Seriously, most of the audiophile community can't even agree on the true meaning of high-end, much less what makes any speaker fit that elevated plateau. Does Paul have a right to his opinion? You bet. Is it any more valid than other opinions? Extremely unlikely.
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Old 12-30-2018, 12:58 PM
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I think there are so many biases when it comes to speakers ,or for that matter any audio product, that we should all take all opinion with a grain of salt.
While I agree with your thesis about opinions, there are valid reasons why some believe certain speakers sound closer to the original live performance than others.
If so, I would consider that speaker to sound better.

The execution of sound and accepted engineering design principles, choice of quality materials, and proven cabinet construction techniques can definitely contribute to improved audio performance.

A speaker that is built better is probably going to measure better. A speaker that measures better should sound better, al least according to Sidney Corderman.
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