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Caelin & Grant:
First of all, Grant has been doing a great job as an ambassador for Shunyata and he should be highly commended for it. I truly appreciate his thoughts. Caelin, in another thread you stated: "Yes, since the Typhon operates in parallel and can be used with any of our current or past power distributors/conditioners. The Typhon is especially beneficial when used with power amplifiers. Plug it into the same outlet that the amp is plugged into or into a Cyclops or Hydra-a Model-2 if you are using one of these to power the amplifier. For a system with a single power amplifier directly attached to a dedicated 3-conductor 10GA 20A line by a Zitron Anaconda with a SR-Z1 outlet, other than the obvious inclusion of additional SR-Z1 sockets, what are your thoughts on a comparison of one of the following devices hooked directly into the other half of the SR-Z1 (i.e., in parallel with the amp) by means of a Zitron Anaconda: 1. a Talos 2. a Triton 3. a Cyclops 4. a Typhon BTW, I tried my amp connected to a Zitron Anaconda fed through a Talos and fed by a Zitron Anaconda, and I preferred the sound of a direct connected amp. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Dave P.S. I found hooking my Talos in parallel with my power amp depended on the technology of the amp ... it really helped a bipolar-based transistor amp, but not as much a FET-based transistor amp. |
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Hydras are unique in that they are not designed as virtual electronic walls that block noise from the power grid. Rather, they actually electrically couple to the power circuit and reduce the level of noise on the entire power circuit. Because of this they can be plugged into a circuit and everything that is connected to that circuit will benefit from the noise reduction even if it is not directly plugged into the Hydra. So you can use them as you describe, however, Hydras are more effective when used in the manner for which they were created, which means plugging your electronic components into them. The TYPHON on the other hand was created as part of a Reference product pair which includes the TRITON power conditioner. When people ask if the Typhon can be used with another product - I have to answer yes. However, if the power conditioner is not reference grade - you will not achieve the full potential of the Typhon. Also the Typhon is quite expensive so it may not be cost effective to pair a Typhon with anything less than a Triton. Now to the question: If you don't require a power distributor, as in the case of an amplifier, you could use the Typhon as a stand-alone unit plugged directly into the wall outlet where the amplifier is also plugged in. You will want to use a short Typhon umbilical cord, just as is required when connecting to the Triton for best results. The answer to your question is #4. And that is how our amps in our reference room are connected. (Adding a Cyclops when used with Python or Anaconda power cables can improve performance. But this is a lot more expensive and complex.) Quote:
Because the Hydras interact with the power line, the power cord that connects it to the power line will dramatically affect its performance and this is especially true of high-current devices like amplifiers. Last edited by CGabriel; 07-29-2013 at 04:16 PM. |
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Caelin,
Thanks for your response. While the Typhon is the best option for use in parallel with a power amp both directly attached to the wall, I'm not sure of the exact question to be asking, but how "close" does a Cyclops or Triton come to a Typhon for this application? I'm curious since the Cyclops is $2K vs. $5K for the Typhon, and whether purchasing the Cyclops is worth it, or is it better to save the money toward the purchase of a Typhon. Thanks, Dave |
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Below is a photo of the inner copper tubes of the Triton and the Talos. Notice the size difference. image-1340133786.jpg Now this is a comparison of our core in the reference Triton and the core of the NIC within the Typhon. image-3384106132.jpg
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Thanks Cailin,
All I can say is WOW! Point taken. A picture truly IS worth a 1000 words. BTW, are the NIC's in the Triton and the Cyclops the same size? Dave |
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davedran... Welcome!
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No, the Cyclops is the same diameter as the Talos but shorter.
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I can't help thinking, couldn't an active toroid version of these be made smaller but still as effective?
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I have literally tested all known types of transformers, reactors, coils, baluns and have personally built hundreds of handmade prototypes. Every type of electrical part has a theoretical characteristic. In applied engineering, these theoretical principles run into the real world of material quality, tolerances and unexpected complex interactions. So if you are asking my opinion if a toroid can reduce noise as effectively as a NIC; I would say the answer is yes. But the attendant loss of DTCD from the toroid negates the advantages it provides in noise isolation. The NIC allows a measure of noise reduction without a significant loss of DTCD capacity. But that is just my opinion. Anyone can have an opinion on just about any and everything. Mine is based upon years of thought, measurement, endless testing and innovation. Through this experience we have developed a design approach and certain technologies that are unique. There are other approaches and other designs. I am comfortable knowing that our products will appeal to some and not to others. That's the beauty of a robust and competitive marketplace. You get to choose. Respectfully, cg
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But that is just my opinion. Anyone can have an opinion on just about any and everything. Mine is based upon years of thought, measurement, endless testing and innovation. Through this experience we have developed a design approach and certain technologies that are unique. There are other approaches and other designs. I am comfortable knowing that our products will appeal to some and not to others. That's the beauty of a robust and competitive marketplace. You get to choose. Respectfully, cg[/QUOTE] WOW! Thank you. |
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