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View Poll Results: Help Me Decide My Next Upgrade
From McIntosh c2500 to c1100 7 28.00%
McIntosh MC452 to MC611 4 16.00%
From PS Audio PPP to P15 14 56.00%
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Old 01-11-2019, 03:12 PM
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I'm on to my next upgrade so please help me decide which would be the best selection.

From McIntosh c2500 to c1100
McIntosh MC452 to MC611
From PS Audio PPP to P15
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Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply
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Old 01-11-2019, 06:18 PM
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if you have a crappy power situation, do that first. If not, the next place to go is the preamp. Usually a preamp is a better upgrade than a power amp, unless you are severely underpowered or poorly matched for your speakers. With an MC452, you're not.
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if you have a crappy power situation, do that first. If not, the next place to go is the preamp. Usually a preamp is a better upgrade than a power amp, unless you are severely underpowered or poorly matched for your speakers. With an MC452, you're not.
Hi Marc....Living in Staten Island, N.Y. with plenty of neighbors I would have to say my power situation is challenging. Back when I purchased the PS Audio PPP their was a very noticeable improvement. Then when I added better power cables there was improvement still. I just recently added the Furutech Flux-50 NCF cable from my PPP to the power cable to the receptacle. I must say this was a major improvement. I’m sure there’s still room for improvements in my power delivery.

I do agree with you that a preamp upgrade will have a noticeable improvement. Reading some online reviews of the benefits confirms it.

Again I will agree that I am not underpowered or have a poor match with my speakers. This might not be the best option. I do love my MC452. It’s a great amp but I do miss having monoblocks.

Please keep the comments and votes coming.
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Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply
Turntable: VPI HR-X 12.7 TONEARM (2) and SDS, Stillpoints LPI
Tape Deck Otari 5050B II2
Music Server: Aurender N100H
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SSP: Marantz AV8801 Cables: Wireworld Electra 7 (P) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7, Shunyata Delta NR (I) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 (S)
Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 (USB)
AC Power Regeneration: PS Audio DirectStream P15 Power Plant and Shunyata Denali 6000s V2.
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Hi Marc....Living in Staten Island, N.Y. with plenty of neighbors I would have to say my power situation is challenging. Back when I purchased the PS Audio PPP their was a very noticeable improvement. Then when I added better power cables there was improvement still. I just recently added the Furutech Flux-50 NCF cable from my PPP to the power cable to the receptacle. I must say this was a major improvement. I’m sure there’s still room for improvements in my power delivery.

I do agree with you that a preamp upgrade will have a noticeable improvement. Reading some online reviews of the benefits confirms it.

Again I will agree that I am not underpowered or have a poor match with my speakers. This might not be the best option. I do love my MC452. It’s a great amp but I do miss having monoblocks.

Please keep the comments and votes coming.
I didn't care much about power until I discovered just how bad mine was. In my case, I have 14ga wire and a terrible power drop when a load is applied. When my system is powered up, the input voltage reads 111vac. When powered off, I have 120vac.

A P10 totally transformed my system because prior to that, my gear was running off 111 volts!
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I'm with Marc, P15 then c1100 with power amps last if at all.
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I'm with Marc, P15 then c1100 with power amps last if at all.
Thanks Jack....I'm starting to lean a bit.
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Speakers: Von Schweikert VR-5 Anniversary MK II Front L/R, LCR-35 Center, VR-1 Rear L/R Sub: JL Audio F113
Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply
Turntable: VPI HR-X 12.7 TONEARM (2) and SDS, Stillpoints LPI
Tape Deck Otari 5050B II2
Music Server: Aurender N100H
Cartridges: Ortofon Cadenza Black, Lyra Helikon Mono Digital Source: Oppo UDP-205 DAC: Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE
SSP: Marantz AV8801 Cables: Wireworld Electra 7 (P) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7, Shunyata Delta NR (I) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 (S)
Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 (USB)
AC Power Regeneration: PS Audio DirectStream P15 Power Plant and Shunyata Denali 6000s V2.
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I went from the c2500 to c1100 and from a 452 to 1.2’s so similar to what you are looking at (although the 1.2’s were quite different to 600’s) - as I can’t comment on your power situation my advice would be to prioritise the pre amp. The c1100 is a great unit and will make a noticeable difference to your system from my experience! Good luck!!
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Paul... it all starts at the wall.
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I went from the c2500 to c1100 and from a 452 to 1.2’s so similar to what you are looking at (although the 1.2’s were quite different to 600’s) - as I can’t comment on your power situation my advice would be to prioritise the pre amp. The c1100 is a great unit and will make a noticeable difference to your system from my experience! Good luck!!
Thanks Levitator.
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Speakers: Von Schweikert VR-5 Anniversary MK II Front L/R, LCR-35 Center, VR-1 Rear L/R Sub: JL Audio F113
Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply
Turntable: VPI HR-X 12.7 TONEARM (2) and SDS, Stillpoints LPI
Tape Deck Otari 5050B II2
Music Server: Aurender N100H
Cartridges: Ortofon Cadenza Black, Lyra Helikon Mono Digital Source: Oppo UDP-205 DAC: Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE
SSP: Marantz AV8801 Cables: Wireworld Electra 7 (P) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7, Shunyata Delta NR (I) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 (S)
Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 (USB)
AC Power Regeneration: PS Audio DirectStream P15 Power Plant and Shunyata Denali 6000s V2.
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Paul... it all starts at the wall.
I do agree Ivan. The Flux-50 NCF has been a revelation. No matter which direction I go first the PS Audio P-15 or P20 will be in my system.
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Speakers: Von Schweikert VR-5 Anniversary MK II Front L/R, LCR-35 Center, VR-1 Rear L/R Sub: JL Audio F113
Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply
Turntable: VPI HR-X 12.7 TONEARM (2) and SDS, Stillpoints LPI
Tape Deck Otari 5050B II2
Music Server: Aurender N100H
Cartridges: Ortofon Cadenza Black, Lyra Helikon Mono Digital Source: Oppo UDP-205 DAC: Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE
SSP: Marantz AV8801 Cables: Wireworld Electra 7 (P) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7, Shunyata Delta NR (I) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 (S)
Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 (USB)
AC Power Regeneration: PS Audio DirectStream P15 Power Plant and Shunyata Denali 6000s V2.
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