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Old 02-13-2019, 01:42 AM
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Yeah I've noticed they do work in improvements over time without adding a v# or Mk # to the model name. Including that 7-to-8 shields on the Wild Blue Yonder - and you won't be able to visually discern which you have if the old plugs have been upgraded to new. With WEL Signature interconnects you can tell older/newer revisions by the outer braid fabrics used. Either way, even the older versions are excellent; and IMO even the ancient early-2000s Sky is still quite good. But you should expect a slightly better deal on the older versions. Looks like they also just discontinued the Wild Blue IC's in the latest price book, btw.

I ran Mont Blanc a while ago. Later added KE-4 (like a pure PSS silver CV-4) up top for a nice boost in resolution and a very minor decrease in coherence. I compared that biwire setup to a Redwood biwire, the latter of which I felt was about equal in resolution, and a bit more coherent to boot. I didn't hear any hint of the mismatch you noticed with the Oaks (I haven't heard Oaks); the Redwood was simply lovely. I didn't go with Redwood then, because I didn't feel the improvement justified the cost. Later I replaced the KE-4 with a Kilimanjaro (same as a pure PSS silver Mont Blanc), still with Mont Blanc on bass, to a very large increase in resolution and coherence. Though I no longer had the Redwood to compare, I felt the Mont Blanc + Kili was a better cable. Then I replaced the Mont Blanc bass with a 2nd Kili, to yield another nice resolution boost. And that's where I sit now - really no need to go anywhere from here. It's like a prototype WEL Signature, minus the various small improvements they've worked in since then. Kilimanjaros occasionally show up for a good price (under 2K for 6 ft pair), but getting 2 nicely matched pairs can take patience. AQ will shorten and reterm as necessary, and these cables go very nicely with the 1000 spades or bananas - but they can't supply the metal collars anymore (just cosmetic anyways). You can even get a longer pair and split into 2 pairs (e.g. 10' pair to two 5' pairs) - I had AQ do that for me on the KE-4, which started as a 15' single! You can get pretty creative here if you need to save some bucks over the very $$$$ later models. I've watched their prices on PSS per meter/gauge rise almost every year, with some BIG increases too. It's at the point now where the PSS pricing is getting right ludicrous. My 2 pairs of Kilis have a pound of PSS in them, which would probably cost around $30K or more in an AQ cable now.

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Old 02-13-2019, 06:42 AM
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I agree about everything that's being said about the cables except about the Wind. I use a Wind to connect my Watch Controller to my D1100. About 5 days ago my final Niagara 5000 arrived along with my Dragon power cord. This to complete my subwoofer system upgrade. At least in my subwoofer system there is nothing thin or lightweight about the Wind IC. Also the Wind received a sterling review in March 2019 TAS p.160. All I can say for what it's worth is that the Wind has faithfully transmitted every nuance of better sensitivity and bass articulation/definition my upgrades have achieved. In the past I have never felt that anything but high quality copper cables and IC's and a high quality power cord plugged into a 20 amp line was all that was needed for a subwoofer system but I was incorrect. Connections and power conditioners/cords make a remarkable difference. One thing for sure, I don't need any more bass and the Redwood most definitely is a lovely cable both in sound and looks.

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Old 02-13-2019, 08:34 AM
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Charles,
I just sold my Audioquest Fire XLRs. I'm looking into Audioquest WBY, WEL, or Wireworld Platinum series 8. Did you go from WBY to WELs? If so, please describe the differences in your system.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:46 AM
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I just sold my Audioquest Fire XLRs. I'm looking into Audioquest WBY, WEL, or Wireworld Platinum series 8. Did you go from WBY to WELs? If so, please describe the differences in your system.
I had circa 2012 versions of WBY and WEL XLR's at the same time and it was no comparison in my system. The WEL outperformed the WBY in every parameter I could think of. I was left with the perception that the WBY was average and probably overpriced for the performance I heard. The more recent WEL XLR I own modestly outperforms my old version, as well. It could be the newer connectors on my newer WEL.
I thought WW PE 7 outperformed the WBY. But WEL outperforms every interconnect I've heard up to now. I'm hoping to hear the WW PE 8, as well.
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:33 PM
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I just sold my Audioquest Fire XLRs. I'm looking into Audioquest WBY, WEL, or Wireworld Platinum series 8. Did you go from WBY to WELs? If so, please describe the differences in your system.
Ricjor1, I went from KK copper to Wels, 24' balanced. Most difficult thing I ever did financially regarding high end audio. It was awful. I went with Wel speaker cables and it seemed natural to go with the Wel IC's but the expense still makes my head swim. I have been very pleased with the Wel's. If you can afford it, go with the Wels. Also, RH of TAS is very high on Wel IC's and uses them in his personal system. I wish that I could say go with the WBY's but there is something special about Wel's.
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Charles,
I just sold my Audioquest Fire XLRs. I'm looking into Audioquest WBY, WEL, or Wireworld Platinum series 8. Did you go from WBY to WELs? If so, please describe the differences in your system.
Wow, that's some self control! Man, I couldn't sell my good cables until I already had the new ones in hand, haha. What are you looking for beyond the Fire? Did you get to demo the Wild/WEL?

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Ricjor1, I went from KK copper to Wels, 24' balanced. Most difficult thing I ever did financially regarding high end audio. It was awful. I went with Wel speaker cables and it seemed natural to go with the Wel IC's but the expense still makes my head swim. I have been very pleased with the Wel's. If you can afford it, go with the Wels. Also, RH of TAS is very high on Wel IC's and uses them in his personal system. I wish that I could say go with the WBY's but there is something special about Wel's.
Holy cow, 24'?? That is a lot. I imagine the difference above lesser cables should be magnified on such a long run. As for the Wild (v1 in my case), the warmth worked well for my system for a while. Now that the WEL's (latest version in this case) neutrality works great for my system, sure there's no going back. However for a time I was toying with the idea of selling the WELs to use the fund for something else - those impulses are gone now!

Also of note, the differences between Fire/Wild/WEL become much less apparent on my high-end headphone setup (about the best you can get there: Stax 009 + T2 amp). High-end speakers really bring the differences out, especially in spatial information.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:33 AM
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After playing three songs with the Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 8 I know this is the cable for my system. It's a demo 1m XLR that my local dealer told me was already broken-in. It has a very natural sound with better defined bass. I have it going from my preamp to the amplifier. It has a detailed , but relaxed sound , with better separation and a bigger soundstage than the Audioquest Fire or the WW Platinum series 7 that I had prior to the AQ Fire.
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After playing three songs with the Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 8 I know this is the cable for my system. It's a demo 1m XLR that my local dealer told me was already broken-in. It has a very natural sound with better defined bass. I have it going from my preamp to the amplifier. It has a detailed , but relaxed sound , with better separation and a bigger soundstage than the Audioquest Fire or the WW Platinum series 7 that I had prior to the AQ Fire.
Ricjor1, I think you made a wise choice. Good listening!

"Holy cow, 24'? That is a lot." Yep. I made the most careful measurements you can imagine and then added 1 foot. Both IC's are 24'. You cannot imagine the pain. But now it is over and I am so glad I went with the Wels. While severe if the result is positive, the hurt quickly abates. These were new IC's solid silver balanced Wels. My fully updated system is recently displayed in "Member Forum" under "AA News" section.

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Thanks Charles. Cables do sound different, not night and day, but a difference that can be easily discerned. It's about system synergy.
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