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1) Make sure both products are fully burned in. Many power distributors like the Triton have massive copper buss systems and very heavy gauge internal wiring that require a significant current load over a couple of weeks to fully burn in. And yes, each power outlet needs to be burned in. This applies to power cords also. 2) Never test power distributors, conditioners and regenerators with both products plugged into the wall outlet at the same time. Power products interact with one another and the interaction can give you false results. For instance, when hooking the Triton to the system the p10 should be powered off and the power cord disconnected from the wall outlet. And vice-versa when testing the p10. 3) Do no stack one power product on top the other when testing. 4) Use the same power cord or the same type and model for the tests. The power cord can dramatically affect the outcome of the testing. 5) Put the power product on a proper platform, shelf or amp stand for the testing. Treat both products identically. 6) When shutting down an entire system to switch the power distributor - the components may take some time to fully settle back to normal operation after being turned off. Be sure to allow the components the same amount of time to fully warm up. Quote:
Oh, and thank you for using our power cords.
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My understanding is that the HC output of the P10 (or P3) does not by-pass the regenerator. It only provides current rush moderation.
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No, the P3 does bypass the regenerator for HC output, but you are correct on the other models.
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[QUOTE="CGabriel;708572"] I don't know who your dealer is but he doesn't know what he is talking about. There is NO multiple outlet power distributor, conditioner or regenerator that can deliver more continuous current than a Triton from a 15-20A power circuit. The Triton can deliver as much current as the power circuit is capable of providing. END QUOTE]
In defense of my dealer: he's been in the business for more than 30 years. And he's not the only one who prefers to plug big poweramps straight to the wall. As i understand even Shunyata sells the Cyclops because it could perform better on big amps than the Triton. Sander Last edited by sander; 06-26-2015 at 03:11 AM. |
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Many of us prefer to plug amp direct into the wall. Caelin's response wasn't really addressing that. He indicated "NO multiple outlet power distributor, conditioner or regenerator that can deliver more continuous current than a Triton from a 15-20A power circuit." He is just saying the Triton will pass whatever the circuit makes available at the plug and no other product delivers more than that. |
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The HYDRA CYLOPS was created specifically for amplifiers and that is what we recommend. But it also works best if you have a second dedicated line for the amplifiers. If you have very high power amplifiers, the best performance investment is to install a dedicated line for them and connect them directly to the wall.
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Hi Caelin,
I am a bit confused about your response as it seems to say that amplifiers (with a dedicated circuit) are best direct into the wall or best through a Hydra Cyclops. Which is it? Adam |
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Might be system dependent. I found the Cyclops are much better than direct to wall.
--------------------------------------------------------------- Lumin S1 Pass XP-20 pre, X600.5 amps Magico S5 speakers Shunyata Triton v2/Typhon for source, Cyclops v2 (2) for amps Shunyata Z Anaconda XLR analog ICs, Z Anaconda speaker cables Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables Revelation Audio Passage Cryo-Silver Reference DB-25 umbilical power cable Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers Three 20 amp circuits.
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Situation A: You have at least two dedicated lines, one for source equipment and one or two for the amplifiers. Situation B: You no dedicated lines or just one. For SitA plug the amps directly into the wall. Any and every distributor or conditioner or regenerator or transformer will decrease DTCD (dynamic transient current delivery) to some degree. Some more or less than others. So the best performance will be gained by plugging the amps directly into their dedicated line. The best method to compare the performance of a power device is by comparing it to the wall outlet not comparing to another power conditioner. Most power conditioners will decrease dynamics mildly to radically depending the design of the device. So plugging the amps directly into the wall is a good baseline solution - you may improve upon that performance with one of the following solutions. You can improve upon SitA by adding noise reduction with a Hydra Cyclops. The Cyclops was designed specifically to power one or two power amplifiers without decreasing DTCD. This is accomplished by avoiding the use of coils, transformers and ferrite and minimizing the use of terminal strips, distribution busses, switches and breakers while maximizing the current carrying capacity of the internal conductors. We have recently introduced a lower cost solution called the Venom AMP-1 that is designed for a single component like an amp or video projector. You can also reduce power line noise without adding any in-line power device by plugging a Venom Defender into the second outlet at the wall where the amp is plugged in. And last you can avoid the use of any power conditioner even if you have several components by installing quad-plexes in the wall instead of duplexes. With two dedicated lines you can have 8 outlets available without any intermediate power device. Plug a Venom Defender into one of the 4 outlets for noise reduction and local surge protection. ------ For SitB where you only have a single power circuit you must accept the fact that there are compromises compared SitA. Unless you only have two components in your system you must have some form of power distribution. That means you need some kind of power strip that has multiple outlets at minimum. Using common computer power strips is particularly harmful to DTCD and the associated power quality. At minimum, you want high quality AC outlets and quality large gauge internal conductors and power distribution busses. All of our distributors including our least expensive Venom PS8 are designed using the DTCD analyzer to ensure the highest level of instantaneous current transfer. All are rated at a full 20 amps of continuous current output all use hydraulic electromagnetic breakers instead of fuses or thermal breakers. With a single power circuit you can also install a quadplex as in SitA if you only need 4 outlets. Adam, I hope that helps.
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I have 2 dedicated lines and plug directly into the wall. I have never understood people buying expensive power conditioners and not having a dedicated line. |
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