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how many watts in the amps were used, they need POWER to drive
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He pretty much had the ideal amp. Maybe he was over auditioning, that happens to me after a few speakers it stops being fun and becomes like hard work grinding over the same tracks.
If you want bass try Vivid K1. I would also suggest G3s but I am yet to hear them and they are more expensive. Your issue may just be a matter of personal taste. Its funny, I used to love the look of 802 and 800, but now it looks clunky. |
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I agree with the comments on the 800D's too edgy and fatiguing I wouldn't want a pair in my room.
The ProAc Carbons smoke em Des |
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They definately were not underpowered.
could have been a room issues, or maybe just no longer to my taste. The 802 and 800d were the first 2 speakers i had auditioned on the day, as they were the 2 i really wanted to work for me. I will re visit them in another store with some other amps, different room, just to be sure. I never write anything off after first audition, as you just never know. I recall never enjoying focal speakers but on this day, the focal scala utopia proved me very wrong |
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Sounds to me like improper room placement combined with inadequate amp(s). My 800ds sounded good with 500wpc and are much better now with 1200wpc, (1.2k MC.) I heard the new 800d2s with 600wpc Classe monos at a well setup dealer and although very nice not nearly as good as with the big power. I don't think one must go to such extremes to achieve great sound but the skies the limit. Another thing to mention is depending how close to the back wall the placement is will greatly affect bass response. FWIW I usually only show slightly over 1 watt peaks on the meters so the power matters at all listening levels.
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Library: Speakers: Avalon Acoustics Isis, Subwoofers: (2) REL Acoustics 212SE Amplification: D’agostino Momentum preamplifier, D’agostino S250 stereo amplifier Digital: dCS Rossini CD/SACD transport, dCS Rossini DAC/streamer/master clock. Analog: Brinkmann Taurus table, Lyra Etna Lambda, Audio Research Ref. Phono 3 |
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no snobbery from me on B&W
have always loved them, owned a pair of 703 and almost purchased some 802D (previous model) before i got my current speakers. This is one of the main reasons i wanted to audition the new 800D now that i am looking at a change in speaker. I cant go by what others say, only by what i hear at the time of auditioning. if i need 1.2kw amps to make them sing, then they are not the right speaker for me unfortunately then. I find it very hard to believe that they need that much power though to make them sing the Sashas were singing with a little 100w valve integrated amp as were the focals |
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Are the 800 series still made in the UK?
I hope they have not shifted em to China |
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