The AR-15: Americans' Best Defense Against Terror and Crime

[Cohibaman]

Originally Posted by Front242

This thread is overtly political. But because the moderators apparently agree with the majority of the gun nut opinions expressed, it goes on. Feels weird to pay for this!

It may have gotten off topic and political, but "gun nut opinions"? Didn't that just make it personal?

Come on guys. Stick on topic.

[Formerly YB-2]

Originally Posted by Front242

The myth that the AR-15 is a "sporting" weapon is a giant "whopper" put forward by the gun manufacturers -- successfully.

Saying it over and over again does not make it true. Just ask Generals Patraeus and McChrsytal.

This is simply incorrect as your first paragraph is about a sporting semi-auto rifle that many, many thousands of citizens own legally and shoot in competitions around the country every week (XTC, 3-gun, etc.) as well as as for general target shooting and, more & more, hunting and home defense.

The military rifle (an AR-16, not a an AR-15) the the generals are referring to have either full-auto or 'burst' capability and are illegal for any civilian to own without a special, quite difficult to obtain, federal permit. Plus, last I checked, both of these generals had their own problems with veracity on various issues.

[kfr01]

Originally Posted by ylee

America gained its independence with a rag tag group of militias thrown together and led by George Washington upon the authorization by the Continental Congress. Because frontiersmen were armed, they had the means to fight a military struggle against the British Army and loyalists albeit at a disadvantage on paper. Out of this came the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution proposing the idea that the citizenry can overthrow the government if it acts against the will of the people. The century following the revolution saw Americans settle a continent with guns and wagons. This was just a few generations ago.

Good post. The 1911 is at my bedside for home defense. The dogs help as a warning system and deterrent as well. The AR-15 is owned because it is a fun target gun; but also partially due to the above sentiment. I do not think we can always count on stability and law & order --- if things were to destabilize or if the good people would need to organize against threats (foreign or domestic), I'd want more than a 1911.

[PHC1]

Originally Posted by Front242

This thread is overtly political. But because the moderators apparently agree with the majority of the gun nut opinions expressed, it goes on. Feels weird to pay for this!

No sir, this thread is actually not political enough! If you only took time to actually consider all the facts that are behind the recent wave of these horrendous attacks, you would quickly realize that the 99.9% of the gun nuts as you call us are actually in favor of all the necessary background checks and other means of making sure the guns only wind up in the hands of people who are cleared to have them for sport, hunting, collecting and other lawful uses of this hobby which is exactly what it is.

Most and I'd say 99.999% of the gun nuts are just as infuriated and saddened by the terrible acts some brainwashed extremists commit against our people and others around the globe. If it wasn't for the NRA, in fact, we would not have a background check to this day.

Now, if you do want to point the finger of blame, point it at those who really are in charge of making decisions and more importantly acting upon and doing their job to protect the population to begin with instead. Like I said before, anyone else would have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law if they were the cause of mass murder but the way it stands, those who are directly in the line of stopping certain people from doing these terrible things are not doing the job.

But, it is Father's Day after all so let's take a break away from the topic which quickly derailed itself and was not meant to be politically charged to begin with. This is a shooting sports forum and we discuss guns here. To all the shooting father's out there, Happy Father's Day, enjoy the day, get out and enjoy your hobby if that is in the plans for the day.

[jdandy]

Karl.......Fine looking first line of defense.

[Mikado463]

Originally Posted by ylee

Gun owners vary in their opinions about how much gun control is appropriate. Some don't want any. Some - perhaps most including me, would like to see certain measures added along with existing laws better applied. We can pass laws all day long but if we don't enforce the laws appropriately it's moot.

Americans as a whole used to view guns as tools and firearms were not so stigmatized. It has become a polarizing symbol that has become a battleground for the culture wars.

very true ........

[Mikado463]

As Serge said, Happy Fathers day all, just got back from a warm 100 bird shoot @ Atlen

[Still-One]

Originally Posted by Gravity1

Not trying to be insensitive but that's why we all have the power of self sensorship. If you don't like or are not interested in a thread...Don't read it. It seems you are more bothered by the views expressed by others than the existence of the thread it's self. Not sure what makes a discussion on the pro and con applications of an AR-15 for home defense "overtly political" or how one thread alone among hundreds, would make you feel "weird for paying for it".

Anyway moving on...

What BS telling us not to read the thread if we don't agree. There is a fine line about commenting in a thread like this between trolling or staying our and letting the bobbleheads think everyone agrees with their position.

[jdandy]

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[Cohibaman]

Anyone have opinions of Rock River Arms AR (positive or negative)?