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Old 02-15-2020, 02:08 AM
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Hmmm I may have to make a decision quickly then...
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FYI...price increase coming in April (according to a local dealer).
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Hello friends, I don't know how the dCS sounds, but two weeks ago I have the Lumin X1 in my house, I can only say that it is AMAZING, wonderful sound. I'm very happy with this purchase.
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I think the Bartok sounds good and have many conveniences but it's too expensive (with hp out version) for its performance.
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I think the Bartok sounds good and have many conveniences but it's too expensive (with hp out version) for its performance.

If you considered the price of the Chord DAVE plus say an MScaler plus a 2Go and 2Yu to match the specs of the Bartok, it’s not that expensive in comparison. And you don’t even get balanced headphone out.
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If you considered the price of the Chord DAVE plus say an MScaler plus a 2Go and 2Yu to match the specs of the Bartok, it’s not that expensive in comparison. And you don’t even get balanced headphone out.
I wouldn't use those if someone gave them to me for free.
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I wouldn't use those if someone gave them to me for free.
What would you say IS worth the performance at Bartok’s price point?
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Old 03-08-2020, 01:05 PM
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What would you say IS worth the performance at Bartok’s price point?
That is the problem... DACs are immensely overpriced for the performance. Additionally, the bottleneck is the computer and music playback software and the streaming music services.

There are all-in-one music servers that doesn't support streaming music or CD players that outperforms $10K+ DACs for a fraction of the price. But those aren't full featured or convenient for today's users.

I do want to clarify that the Bartok is good sounding but the cost is IMHO too high. I think for its build, design, features, and performance the DIRECT SALES retail price should be $7K.
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That is the problem... DACs are immensely overpriced for the performance. Additionally, the bottleneck is the computer and music playback software and the streaming music services.

There are all-in-one music servers that doesn't support streaming music or CD players that outperforms $10K+ DACs for a fraction of the price. But those aren't full featured or convenient for today's users.

I do want to clarify that the Bartok is good sounding but the cost is IMHO too high. I think for its build, design, features, and performance the DIRECT SALES retail price should be $7K.
So, are you saying no DAC would yield commensurate performance level at that price level?

In that case, at what price point would you draw the line - and which contenders would you suggest at that level?
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That’s the thing - neither the Chord not Bartok use off the shelf DACs.

In the past that meant astronomical prices like Vivaldi stack or EMM Labs XDS1 or DAC2X or Playback Designs. These days we have PS Audio and entry level Chord and Dcs.

If anything I find those that use off the shelf chips a little overpriced.
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