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Initially I didn't like the look of the Wilson but now I do. The vivid though I could never have in my room, though I could see where others have different tastes and decor to match. I ALWAYS liked the Wilson's sound.
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On the Allnic audio web site, I found this :
And this statement : "The Wilson’s require attention to setup. Preferred sitting distance is recommended to be within 1.1 to 1.25% of the tweeter to tweeter width with the speakers pointed directly at the listener. Best is to be able to slightly see the inner wall of the cabinet from your seating position. Once dialed, the magic is there! These are very good, surprisingly efficient to be driven to decent listening levels with Allnic 12.5 WPC DHT A5000’s. The sounds leap off the cabinets rendering them invisible" I find it interesting to read the term "magic". Plus the fact that the speakers simply disappear. I have had a very hard time finding speakers able to disappear as Wilsons do. All this is a question of taste and highly subjective. I personnaly never found Magico being "magic" ! All over the world and in HiFi shows, electronic and cables manufacturers use Wilson to demo their products. The Sashas are the most displayed everywhere by a large margin. This also says something. Those guys do not read curves. They listen to music. They must all have bad ears.
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Sure, rub it in...
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The more I read, the more I find this thread interesting.
Its all about a "paint job" but the defense Wilson garnered is tremendous. Seriously, almost everyone is into paint jobs these days - even Magico had also started to. Now, Wilson Gloss is but a word merely like slightly more than a decade ago where most speakers are solid wood or veneered! There must be something right about doing a paint job indeed. Each of us are individually different, and so, the taste, on speakers performance, the passion of loving a brand, ownership pride varies. Some of us, I do, ... buy gears mostly thru magazines write ups/reviews and advises of friends and sales person, while many others knows what they want and do in-depth auction before plonking the monies for them. I think its time we move on from this subject as there will be no end to this .... Right, wrong or indifferent, we have to respect each other views and at the same time, be sensitive to the choice of words used. We are all lovers of music and the gears producing it. And all we seek is the pure enjoyment derived from what we have owned or are about to own. We does not have to agree all the time. As long as love what we have, great. If not, time to change and have upgraditis! Just like our wives, we don't marry them just because someone else say so nor we ditch them because someone else say something different. We marry them because we all love our wives! We are all friends in this forum, and its all about exchange of ideas, advise and experience. Lets leave it at that!
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Just the opposite is true in bass. IMO the MAXX3 has the ideal bass graph showing a broad rise beginning at 30 Hz going through about 100 Hz. The roll off is quick below 30 Hz. If you see a speaker with a flat bass response, watch out, looks good on paper but it will have no bass. I can't hear a piece of paper. In other words, I want a speaker with a broad peak in the bass, a flat or even slightly declining response in the 300 to 15,000 Hz range with zero peaks above the 0 db line, and a quick roll off below 30 Hz. In practical terms the roll off below 30 Hz is much more important than the Wilson resonance at 20,000 Hz (which by the way doesn't even cross the 0 db line). Why? I can't remotely hear 18,000 Hz but I can hear woofer doubling when a woofer incapable of linear output at really low frequencies is asked to do 20 Hz flat. It takes a Thor to be flat at 20 Hz. A speaker that is flat to 20-25 Hz is a curse. The MAXX3 does the best job I have ever seen of a speaker doing 20 Hz. It will produce a remarkable 18 Hz note that shakes the room. What it will not do is pick up the very faint 20 hz background organ notes that I love to hear so much on some of my recordings because it is markedly rolled off by 20 Hz. Takes my Thor to do this. But my MAXX will produce heavy sustained 20 Hz material remarkably well without any distortsion. What DW has achieved with the bass response of his speaker, my hats off to him. |
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This is an impressively good post ! Thanks a lot ! Sent from my iPhone using A.Aficionado
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Charles,
You have a very "interesting" rational when it comes to reading these charts. Can you please explain to us what do you mean by saying "doesn't even cross the 0 db line"? |
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