Need advice on Stillpoints with Magico

[rlacoste]

These press releases are not court documents you know. This PR was released way before any S model existed. What he meant was "other brands" of speakers. Magico specifically note in their newsletter not to use 3rd party feet, and if you bother to understand the reason behind all these concept, you will understand why neither the QPods nor the Stillpoint will work under a sealed 250Lbs loudspeaker.

[gardener]

Originally Posted by rlacoste

These press releases are not court documents you know. This PR was released way before any S model existed. What he meant was "other brands" of speakers. Magico specifically note in their newsletter not to use 3rd party feet, and if you bother to understand the reason behind all these concept, you will understand why neither the QPods nor the Stillpoint will work under a sealed 250Lbs loudspeaker.

A bit hard
Magico were very interested in the results I got with still points It did not work for me but neither do the spikes that come with speakers
I think if you own S5,s and still points why not try
All set ups are different

[rlacoste]

Originally Posted by gardener

A bit hard
Magico were very interested in the results I got with still points

I really doubt that...
You can try whatever you want, like flipping the speakers upside down, maybe that will work for you, in "your" set up.

Originally Posted by rlacoste

These press releases are not court documents you know. This PR was released way before any S model existed. What he meant was "other brands" of speakers. Magico specifically note in their newsletter not to use 3rd party feet, and if you bother to understand the reason behind all these concept, you will understand why neither the QPods nor the Stillpoint will work under a sealed 250Lbs loudspeaker.

There is good reason Rlacoste for my disclaimers which I wont go into. I cannot comment on any Magico newsletter, but I take your point that Magico speakers are designed to be directly coupled to the floor, not de-coupled which is what Stillpoints and Qpods do. Appreciate your feedback.

[jdandy]

Originally Posted by rlacoste

I really doubt that...
You can try whatever you want, like flipping the speakers upside down, maybe that will work for you, in "your" set up.

rlacoste........This is probably as good a time as any to remind you that this is The Friendly Forum for High-End Audio. You may or may not be intending for the tone of your posts to be abrasive but it certainly appears that way in type. We all have opinions but no one enjoys a battle over them, especially the site owner and mods if you get my drift.

Thanks Dan, AA is our little home away from home

[jazzman]

here is what Magico wrote in their newsletter one year ago:
The Laws of Physics
Magico has received a tremendous number of inquiries from both consumers and dealer/distributors regarding spikes. There are a few things that we believe our partners must know. To start, Magico engineers an extremely rigid sealed-*‐box cabinet. This is one of the many technologies which create the Magico advantage. The premium-*‐quality stainless steel spike systems, which are provided with every speaker system are designed and engineered to exhaust unwanted stored energy but also to set proper height. Every element of the supplied spikes, from the material choice, size, threading and thread-*‐depth, are engineered into the speakers from the beginning stages. The spike systems are as important as any other part of Magico speakers and must be properly coupled to the surface they are placed on. We do not encourage the use of any other feet to couple your
speakers to the floor.

After having tried some stillpoints under my electronics, I am now using the Magico Qpods, with a better result (as with all platforms or anti vibration pods, the effect differs on different electronics, people have to give it a try). Since I was impressed by the Qpod, I asked Alon Wolf if I should try to use them also under my S1 and Q1. The answer was a clear "NO". They explained me how they are designing their speakers using advanced simulation, and that the whole design is assuming a rigid coupling of the speaker with the ground. So using the stillpoints or any other decoupling device would be a mistake.
Honestly, I would rather trust their judgement than any audiophile on the web (including me).

Thanks for your feedback Jazzman. I reached the same conclusion regarding the QPods after receiving feedback from my Dealer and members here that installing QPods under S series speakers is not a good idea as per Magico's product description. Your comments from your chat with Alon also also make it clear that diverting from their advice (to use the factory spikes/cups) would compromise the performance of the speaker likely leading to unpredictable results.

I love Stillpoints (especially the Ultra 5's) under amps, front end components & power conditioners. But the U5's were not designed to be installed sloped side down & the S5's are clearly designed on the assumption the speakers are rigidly coupled to the floor (aka: using the factory spikes). Given the mixed feedback I have read about applicating Ultra 5's to speakers (especially Magico) and having regard to Magico's own advice, I am not prepared to take the gamble of using U5's and will be sticking with the supplied factory spikes. Thanks for your feedback guys!