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Old 09-16-2020, 10:31 PM
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I would like to chime in on this topic.

When I acquired my BDP-2 last year, I had already registered to Roon as I was using my Chromecast audio to stream music in the meantime. I really liked the Roon interface and its simplicity. I liked also how everything was correctly tagged as well. But with the BDP-2 in Roon mode, I was expecting to run Roon from the BDP and just like John I found out that Roon core must be installed on a PC to run. So in this setup, I was running Roon like this :

Stored media on USB 3.0 External Hard drive ===> Roon Core PC with WiFi-AC ===> Internet Wireless Router ===>50 ft LAN cable ===> BDP-2.

This chain had too many weak links as the quality of the playback suffered. I also even got some network glitches (screeching sounds) in the music. After some few posts on this sub, I learned that the best playback quality with the BDP is with an internal hard drive. So I setup an internal 1 Tb SSD hard drive and stored all my music on this drive. I also have 2 mirror copies of my library on external hard drives in case something goes bad.

Back to Roon, I still emphasize that this is a real nice piece of software. But ultimately I unsubscribed after 1 year. As I am using the Rigelian app to control my BDP, I saw no use for Roon as I get pretty much all I need from this 5$/year app. I rip my own CDs and I meticulously tag the media files. As why I chose the BDP as my main source, the reason is simple. I wanted to break away from the PC. PCs tend to crash and are prey to viruses. My PC is only useful to transfer ripped CDs on the internal hard drive of the BDP on the network. Essentially, the BDP runs on a "closed circuit" if I can call it this way. And since 18 months I have it, it hasn't crashed a single time.

In these days an age, I wonder where things are going actually. With all the streaming options and 1 gbits+ internet connections, do people still wish to buy CDs and rip them like I currently do? I personally prefer to "own" my music but streaming music is probably a paradigm shift I guess (for me at least).

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Old 09-16-2020, 10:57 PM
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...ROON would not allow the BDP-3 to be a ROON core.

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Old 09-17-2020, 08:16 AM
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I would like to chime in on this topic.

When I acquired my BDP-2 last year, I had already registered to Roon as I was using my Chromecast audio to stream music in the meantime. I really liked the Roon interface and its simplicity. I liked also how everything was correctly tagged as well. But with the BDP-2 in Roon mode, I was expecting to run Roon from the BDP and just like John I found out that Roon core must be installed on a PC to run. So in this setup, I was running Roon like this :

Stored media on USB 3.0 External Hard drive ===> Roon Core PC with WiFi-AC ===> Internet Wireless Router ===>50 ft LAN cable ===> BDP-2.

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Back to Roon, I still emphasize that this is a real nice piece of software. But ultimately I unsubscribed after 1 year. As I am using the Rigelian app to control my BDP, I saw no use for Roon as I get pretty much all I need from this 5$/year app. I rip my own CDs and I meticulously tag the media files. As why I chose the BDP as my main source, the reason is simple. I wanted to break away from the PC. PCs tend to crash and are prey to viruses. My PC is only useful to transfer ripped CDs on the internal hard drive of the BDP on the network. Essentially, the BDP runs on a "closed circuit" if I can call it this way. And since 18 months I have it, it hasn't crashed a single time.

In these days an age, I wonder where things are going actually. With all the streaming options and 1 gbits+ internet connections, do people still wish to buy CDs and rip them like I currently do? I personally prefer to "own" my music but streaming music is probably a paradigm shift I guess (for me at least).

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Serge - good post. Yes, a paradigm shift. If you prefer to play from your own library, than your current set-up is ideal. Personally, I think this is a great time to build a digital library - used CD's are prolific and cheap. Online databases for metadata are accurate and deep. I have silver disks stored, but have not used a CD player in years.

My set up is bit simpler - Roon Core, database, and music library on Synology NAS, through router to (wired) Sonos endpoint, then to DAC/Bryston system. The NAS is a 24/7 appliance.

I appreciate Roon for music discovery as well as a simple way to learn more about an artist or album. Still building library, but at a slower pace.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:33 AM
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In these days an age, I wonder where things are going actually. With all the streaming options and 1 gbits+ internet connections, do people still wish to buy CDs and rip them like I currently do? I personally prefer to "own" my music but streaming music is probably a paradigm shift I guess (for me at least).

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Serge, I remember that Ivan once wrote: "I'll never part with my physical media", and I felt the same... until quite recently.
My streaming set-up now equals and in quite some (a lot of) cases even surpasses my (SA)CD collection in sound quality.
I see myself pulling less and less silver discs out of our huge collection.
I don't intend to rip them, it's too much work, and Qobuz has 98% of them in their catalogue.

One disadvantage: if Qobuz goes out of business, or internet is down, I loose a lot of my favourite music... but then we'll still have the thousands of discs which we intend to keep for now.
So maybe, I'll never part with my physical media either?! Never say never...

By the way, congrats on your > 666 posts!
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:33 AM
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Hi Serge

I find the same with Qobuz - it equals and sometimes surpasses the performance of my ripped CD's.

I wonder what the delivery system details are to allow this. In Canada I have a feed all the way from Seattle - mind boggling!!!

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Old 09-18-2020, 11:05 PM
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I would like to chime in on this topic.

Serge-

Your experiences are most appreciated. Still trying to get to the bottom of what is happening with my set-up; the Roon folks seem to be trying to make an attempt. Despite hardwiring being the best touted solution, no luck for me so far and not a practical option anyway.

So, despite really liking the Roon interface, its integration with Qobuz, my library and then the suggestions and additional information I too may need to let it go.


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Streaming front end have certainly come now at par with good vinyl and CD/SACD rigs and I greatly appreciate mine.

But it is difficult to assess whether streaming services will be there in the longer run, especially high rez ones, that business/revenue model has yet to prove being profitable...
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:06 AM
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... it is difficult to assess whether streaming services will be there in the longer run, especially high rez ones, that business/revenue model has yet to prove being profitable...
Do you know that for a fact?
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Old 09-19-2020, 10:41 AM
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Spotify is a listed/public co, you can check their financials online, it reported a net loss of 186M€ for 2019 and of 355M€ for the period Jan-Jun 2020

Tidal is privately owned, its parent company in 2018 reported a net loss of 36.9M$ (public information).

Qobuz is also privately owned and doesn’t seem to be reporting financials, it was taken over from receivership in 2015 by a French group (public information).

I’m a paying subscriber to the 3 platforms and I’m very happy with the services they offer, I do wish them lots of success. But I’m just saying that it seems to be a challenging environment...
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Thanks for the info, joel_hifi!
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