AudioAficionado.org  

Go Back   AudioAficionado.org > Manufacturers Forums > Audio Research

Audio Research State of the Art Audio Reproduction

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 10-07-2019, 11:46 AM
Puma Cat's Avatar
Puma Cat Puma Cat is online now
conrad-johnson, baby!


 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: East Bay, CA
Posts: 9,524
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
Exactly. I just had a conversation with Dave Gordon about this, and his only suggestion was that i make lots of room above the amp and either remove the cover or put fans on low, and/or put fans in my cabinet instead. They don't think you can hear the fans but yes, you can.
Sounds like they're in denial.
__________________
First Sound Presence Deluxe 4.0 MkIII-Si Special Edition preamp, Conrad-Johnson LP70S amp, Michell Gyro SE MkII, SME V, Koetsu Urushi Vermilion w/ EAR324, Oppo BD-83SE, Sonore OpticalModule with Uptone Audio LPS-1.2 power supply, Uptone Audio EtherREGEN, SOtM UltraNeo with Keces P3 power supply, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet & Alpha USB cables, Schiit Gungnir Multibit Gen 5 USB DAC, Schiit Loki DSD DAC, Mac Mini/Roon, Harbeth 30.2 or Dynaudio Contour S3.4 w/ Esotar 2 tweeters, REL R-305, Shunyata Delta and Venom ICs, Shunyata Delta speaker cables, Shunyata Sigma XC, Sigma NRv2, Alpha NRv2, Venom NR-V10, and Venom V14D power cords, Shunyata Everest 8000,
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-07-2019, 12:21 PM
W9TR's Avatar
W9TR W9TR is offline
Senior Member

 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Neutral Zone
Posts: 3,927
Default ARC Ref 160S

Too bad high end designers still rely on noisy fans to cool their gear.
__________________
Main System:
Amati Futura Mains
Amati Homage VOX Center,
Proac Response 1sc Rears,
Three MC2301's for L,C,R
MC 602 for the rears
C 1100, MX 151, MCD 1100, MR 80
Nottingham Dais with Sumiko Palo Santos Presentation
SurfacePro 3, JRiver, WW Starlight Platinum USB, Schiit Yggdrasil, Benchmark DAC3 HGC

MX 151, OppO BDP-95, JVC RS-500 DILA projector, 106" diagonal Stewart Luxus Screenwall Deluxe with Studiotek 130 G3 material.

Lake House:
Ohm F, MC 275V, C2300, MR 77, Rega P3

OnDeck:
McIntosh MAC 4300v

Last edited by W9TR; 10-07-2019 at 04:32 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-04-2020, 10:18 PM
djcxxx djcxxx is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 145
Default

Moved the 75SE to the secondary system and the 160S is now driving the Sasha 1s. Still not a lot of hours on the 160S. Certainly more heft and bass control than the 75SE, but possibly not as much detail or texture to various instruments that always impressed me about the 75SE. Perhaps in time. All my ARC gear has taken at least a couple hundred hours to “bloom”. Thinking about changing the Sasha 1s for DAWs but that’s another story.....
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg FB8B0BF9-D196-4109-97F7-8F6533BD2789.jpeg (1.78 MB, 90 views)
__________________
1)Wilson Sasha DAW; ARC Ref 6SE; ARC Ref Phono 3SE; ARC Ref CD9; ARC Ref 160S; Clearaudio Avantgarde Magnum w/ TTS3/DaVinci V.2;Shunyata Denali 6000T; Shunyata AC cables; Siltech Prince speaker cables; Siltech Princess/Crown Princess interconnects.
2) SF Amati Homage; ARC Ref 5SE; ARC Ref 75SE; ARC CD6SE; Stealth Sakra V16 interconnects.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-05-2020, 03:48 AM
2fastdriving's Avatar
2fastdriving 2fastdriving is offline
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,560
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by djcxxx View Post
Moved the 75SE to the secondary system and the 160S is now driving the Sasha 1s. Still not a lot of hours on the 160S. Certainly more heft and bass control than the 75SE, but possibly not as much detail or texture to various instruments that always impressed me about the 75SE. Perhaps in time. All my ARC gear has taken at least a couple hundred hours to “bloom”. Thinking about changing the Sasha 1s for DAWs but that’s another story.....
Congratulations! I'm sure it's a great system. If you decide to go with the daw, it will be a really great upgrade. Another choice would be to get a certified alexia 1. I've owned the Sasha 1, 2, and alexia 1. Each one was a big upgrade. I've heard the daw many times and it is really close to the alexia, with just a bit less bass extension in my opinion. Some think the daw is actually more accurate than the alexia 1. All I know is, I love my alexias and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
__________________
--Marc

Audio Research Ref6SE, Ref160M's / Esoteric K-01X, G-02X, E-03 / Wilson Alexia / Clearaudio Ovation with Universal Tonearm / Lyra Kleos / Transparent Reference Gen5 / Shunyata Denali 6000S V2, Sigma USB, Clock50, Sigma and Alpha HC PC's / HRS S3 Isolation bases / Roon, Tidal, Qobuz Intel NUC / SoTM SMS-200 Ultra Neo SE / Uptone EtherREGEN / Vicoustics, GIK Acoustics panels
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-05-2020, 08:16 AM
Billion$Baby's Avatar
Billion$Baby Billion$Baby is offline
Member

 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 74
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
Congratulations! I'm sure it's a great system. If you decide to go with the daw, it will be a really great upgrade. Another choice would be to get a certified alexia 1. I've owned the Sasha 1, 2, and alexia 1. Each one was a big upgrade. I've heard the daw many times and it is really close to the alexia, with just a bit less bass extension in my opinion. Some think the daw is actually more accurate than the alexia 1. All I know is, I love my alexias and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
Alexia 1 and ARC 160S was not a good match for WCSS on the Audiogon Thread "My long list of Amplifiers". This took place within the last month. YMMV He actually preferred the GS150 and remarked they were "sweeter".
__________________
Amps: First Watt SIT-3, Pass XA25, Valvet E2 SE, LTA Ultralinear, ARC 150M, First Watt SIT-1 Mono's, ARC Ref75SE, Luxman M900U, Pass XA30.5, Decware Zen TorII MK4, Line Magnetic 845 Premium, Raven Reflection MK2

Pre-Amps: Luxman 900U, ARC MP-1 Multi-Channel, Conrad Johnson Met-1 Multi-Channel

Disc Spinners: Luxman D-08U, Ayre DX5, Oppo 105/205

Speakers: Joseph Audio Pearl 3, Volti RAZZ, Dynaudio Special 40, Falcon LS 3/5A, Klipsch Cornwall IV, Harbeth SHL5+, Omega Compact 8, Triangle Comete EZ, Monitor Audio Gold 200, JBL 590, Audio Solutions Figaro M, Harbeth C7 40th

Collector/Dealer of over 9000 Authentic RIAA Gold/Platinum Music Industry Record Awards 1960's-Present. 3400+ Photos of my awards on Facebook page: RIAA AWARD COLLECTORS

Last edited by Billion$Baby; 01-05-2020 at 08:18 AM. Reason: Addition
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-05-2020, 03:41 PM
2fastdriving's Avatar
2fastdriving 2fastdriving is offline
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,560
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Billion$Baby View Post
Alexia 1 and ARC 160S was not a good match for WCSS on the Audiogon Thread "My long list of Amplifiers". This took place within the last month. YMMV He actually preferred the GS150 and remarked they were "sweeter".
To each his own, but I find that conclusion hard to believe. The alexia is easy to drive, so that's not a consideration. both amps use the exact same tube complement. In fact I believe that the two amps are very similar.
__________________
--Marc

Audio Research Ref6SE, Ref160M's / Esoteric K-01X, G-02X, E-03 / Wilson Alexia / Clearaudio Ovation with Universal Tonearm / Lyra Kleos / Transparent Reference Gen5 / Shunyata Denali 6000S V2, Sigma USB, Clock50, Sigma and Alpha HC PC's / HRS S3 Isolation bases / Roon, Tidal, Qobuz Intel NUC / SoTM SMS-200 Ultra Neo SE / Uptone EtherREGEN / Vicoustics, GIK Acoustics panels
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-05-2020, 03:59 PM
djcxxx djcxxx is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 145
Default

I’ve been on Agon since 2002 and the forums are, politely, a very mixed bag. Typically far more chaff than kernels of information. That amp thread has been going on since 2016 and is populated by dealers, daydreamers, and very short term “owners”.
__________________
1)Wilson Sasha DAW; ARC Ref 6SE; ARC Ref Phono 3SE; ARC Ref CD9; ARC Ref 160S; Clearaudio Avantgarde Magnum w/ TTS3/DaVinci V.2;Shunyata Denali 6000T; Shunyata AC cables; Siltech Prince speaker cables; Siltech Princess/Crown Princess interconnects.
2) SF Amati Homage; ARC Ref 5SE; ARC Ref 75SE; ARC CD6SE; Stealth Sakra V16 interconnects.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-05-2020, 04:52 PM
2fastdriving's Avatar
2fastdriving 2fastdriving is offline
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,560
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by djcxxx View Post
I’ve been on Agon since 2002 and the forums are, politely, a very mixed bag. Typically far more chaff than kernels of information. That amp thread has been going on since 2016 and is populated by dealers, daydreamers, and very short term “owners”.
Yes! I know... I just perused it. From what I can tell, the op said the ref160 monos were not as good as the stereo. That's... Strange. Very strange, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Another hot take was that someone said the Sasha 1 was superior to the Sasha 2, daw, and alexia. That's ludicrous! I've actually owned them (except for the Daw) and I can definitely say that is false.

I've also been spending some time on the Facebook groups, and I can definitely say there are a lot of nuts out there. AA is far more "refined"... Less trolls!
__________________
--Marc

Audio Research Ref6SE, Ref160M's / Esoteric K-01X, G-02X, E-03 / Wilson Alexia / Clearaudio Ovation with Universal Tonearm / Lyra Kleos / Transparent Reference Gen5 / Shunyata Denali 6000S V2, Sigma USB, Clock50, Sigma and Alpha HC PC's / HRS S3 Isolation bases / Roon, Tidal, Qobuz Intel NUC / SoTM SMS-200 Ultra Neo SE / Uptone EtherREGEN / Vicoustics, GIK Acoustics panels
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-05-2020, 05:49 PM
Billion$Baby's Avatar
Billion$Baby Billion$Baby is offline
Member

 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 74
Default

Well what he has on his side is his experience with all 3 GS, 160Mono, Stereo. What he has going against him is different speakers on each as well as speaker cables etc. He isn't speculating. He has no motive to lie and I know him personally so can vouch for his authenticity and honesty. I believe what he says HE hears which may not be what you or I would hear. He used the 160M with NEOLITH Speakers and not the Alexia...that's what he used the 160S on and quickly ditched it. According to him multiple ARC dealers came to the same conclusion...the Stereo version was Tweaked somehow and is an improvement..but that's all hearsay obviously
__________________
Amps: First Watt SIT-3, Pass XA25, Valvet E2 SE, LTA Ultralinear, ARC 150M, First Watt SIT-1 Mono's, ARC Ref75SE, Luxman M900U, Pass XA30.5, Decware Zen TorII MK4, Line Magnetic 845 Premium, Raven Reflection MK2

Pre-Amps: Luxman 900U, ARC MP-1 Multi-Channel, Conrad Johnson Met-1 Multi-Channel

Disc Spinners: Luxman D-08U, Ayre DX5, Oppo 105/205

Speakers: Joseph Audio Pearl 3, Volti RAZZ, Dynaudio Special 40, Falcon LS 3/5A, Klipsch Cornwall IV, Harbeth SHL5+, Omega Compact 8, Triangle Comete EZ, Monitor Audio Gold 200, JBL 590, Audio Solutions Figaro M, Harbeth C7 40th

Collector/Dealer of over 9000 Authentic RIAA Gold/Platinum Music Industry Record Awards 1960's-Present. 3400+ Photos of my awards on Facebook page: RIAA AWARD COLLECTORS
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-05-2020, 07:50 PM
ariess ariess is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 750
Default

Manufacturers who know what they are doing don’t invert the price and quality relationship. Also see the Stereophile review of the 160S this month where Dave Gordon says the 160S is close to but not better than 160Ms.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Audioaficionado.org tested by Norton Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:17 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©Copyright 2009-2019 AudioAficionado.org.Privately owned, All Rights Reserved.
Audio Aficionado Sponsors
AudioAficionado Subscriber
AudioAficionado Subscriber
Inspire By Dennis Had
Inspire By Dennis Had
Harmonic Resolution Systems
Harmonic Resolution Systems
Wyred4Sound
Wyred4Sound
Dragonfire Acoustics
Dragonfire Acoustics
GIK Acoustics
GIK Acoustics
Esoteric
Esoteric
AC Infinity
AC Infinity
JL Audio
JL Audio
Add Powr
Add Powr
Legend Audio & Video
Legend Audio & Video
Audio by E
Audio by E
Canton
Canton
Bryston
Bryston
WireWorld Cables
WireWorld Cables
Stillpoints
Stillpoints
Bricasti Design
Bricasti Design
Furutech
Furutech
Shunyata Research
Shunyata Research
Accuphase
Accuphase