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Old 03-29-2014, 05:37 PM
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Old 03-29-2014, 05:45 PM
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Check out Acoustic Geometry curve diffusers to place beside the speakers. They worked wonders for my Magicos, as they are placed asymmetrical, yet image wonderfully AFTER the diffusers were in place. ASC bass traps and Mondo traps work for the bass as well. You are in for a treat. As an aside, after I added Shunyata Alpha power cords and Hydra Cyclops to the system, the S5 became much more resolving- closer to the Q resolution but still more musical to me IMHO. Is the Vega still sounding great?
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Okay. I will keep this in mind. The Vega is awesome. The Bryston BDP-1 file player and Vega DAC took a quantum leap forward when I replaced the Shunyata Python digital cable with the new Anaconda digital cable. I have a Cyclops for the amps, and just added a Typhon to the Triton on the source gear. I have a 100% Shunyata power and cable environment. So, I am expecting great things from the S5.
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Old 03-29-2014, 10:17 PM
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Thanks. This is good info, and gives me a starting point. My room is most certainly unbalanced in that the left speaker will be about three feet from the side wall, while the right speaker is a loooong way from the side wall. The living room blends into the kitchen/dining area on the right. To be honest, with my current Aerial Acoustics 7T speakers, it works quite well.
Bud, my listening room is also a living/dining area with an open atrium to an upstairs area, so my listening room is similarly unbalanced to yours, only that I measured 1.5mtrs from my RH speaker to the front door, and approx 3.5mtrs from my LH speaker to my rear door beside the kitchen. As I said, and Jazzman repeated if you don't have much wriggle room to move your S5's out from the rear wall, focus on getting the overall symmetry of your setup dialed in as that will help tremendously in achieving a coherent sound stage and improve imaging. Yes, a horizontal listening position would be ideal, but is not practical in yours or my situation. So instead I focused on achieving a good near field setup with surprisingly good results. Of course, each room is different so you need to find out what works in your room.

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Old 03-30-2014, 06:53 AM
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jazzman, thanks for the good advice. I don't have symmetry in the listening area, which is about 16' x 17.5', but with one side opening to another area near the rear. I use minor difference in toe-in to provide some (but not adequate) compensation. Would using diffusors help? At least I may need one behind my listening position, as I sit quite close to the back wall.
the most important is symmetry between left and right wall. You want the first reflection on the side walls to arrive to you at the same time otherwise imaging will suffer. Imagine for example you are sitting in an equilateral position vs. the speakers, but left wall is 8 feet from you and right wall is 15 feet: what I would do is putting a diffuser like the transparent SMT wings at the first point of reflection on the long side of the room, to have first reflection traveling the same distance for both left and right speakers.
Now if your problem is that you have an opening in the rear (by rear, do you mean behind speakers or behind listeners), it is less of an issue. It will mainly influence bass response, as the opening will work as a giant helmholtz resonator. If beneficial or not, impossible to know without measuring (playing with different position of the speakers)
And yes, if you are sitting less than 1.5 meters from back wall, I STRONGLY encourage you to use a near-field diffuser from SMT to manage the rear reflection. This is the first thing I would do. Be careful with diffusers: from my knowledge only SMT works in the near field, all other diffusers require 2.5-3 meters to be effective. I sit 60cm from back wall... which is fully treated

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Old 03-30-2014, 07:00 AM
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Thanks. This is good info, and gives me a starting point. My room is most certainly unbalanced in that the left speaker will be about three feet from the side wall, while the right speaker is a loooong way from the side wall. The living room blends into the kitchen/dining area on the right. To be honest, with my current Aerial Acoustics 7T speakers, it works quite well.
if speakers are good, sound will still be good.... but you just don't know it can be significantly better
See my answer to Clee on what I would do in your case. A single SMT wing diffuser on the point of first reflection is all you need (do like me, take the one which is on small wheels, so that you can move it aside when you don't want it in the way)
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Old 03-30-2014, 09:49 AM
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the most important is symmetry between left and right wall. You want the first reflection on the side walls to arrive to you at the same time otherwise imaging will suffer. Imagine for example you are sitting in an equilateral position vs. the speakers, but left wall is 8 feet from you and right wall is 15 feet: what I would do is putting a diffuser like the transparent SMT wings at the first point of reflection on the long side of the room, to have first reflection traveling the same distance for both left and right speakers.
Now if your problem is that you have an opening in the rear (by rear, do you mean behind speakers or behind listeners), it is less of an issue. It will mainly influence bass response, as the opening will work as a giant helmholtz resonator. If beneficial or not, impossible to know without measuring (playing with different position of the speakers)
And yes, if you are sitting less than 1.5 meters from back wall, I STRONGLY encourage you to use a near-field diffuser from SMT to manage the rear reflection. This is the first thing I would do. Be careful with diffusers: from my knowledge only SMT works in the near field, all other diffusers require 2.5-3 meters to be effective. I sit 60cm from back wall... which is fully treated
Fortunately, my set-up is approximately symmetrical at 1st reflection point. However, at where I sit, I am ~8 ft from my right-hand wall and 15 ft from a left wall. My back wall is only ~2.2 ft from my seat. What are these near-field diffusors? I don't seem to find them at SMT web site. Do they sell direct?
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Fortunately, my set-up is approximately symmetrical at 1st reflection point. However, at where I sit, I am ~8 ft from my right-hand wall and 15 ft from a left wall. My back wall is only ~2.2 ft from my seat. What are these near-field diffusors? I don't seem to find them at SMT web site. Do they sell direct?
Where you sit is less a problem, most important is first reflection point. What you need to take care of in your case is the reflection from the back wall.
Any wing would work. Can be wood based, acrylic, etc.
The one I was referring to is "SMT transparent wing mobile". Google it and look for images. The 4th one is a pic from one of my thread on WBF, you will see the different type of wings (all would work).
They have distributors in some markets (US, Singapore, etc), otherwise you can buy direct. Best is you contact directly Matts Odemalm:
SMT AB
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726 92 Skultuna
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+46(0)70 513 22 21
Matts@diffusor.com
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:42 AM
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Thanks jassman. I'll also see if there is a local dealer.
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