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Old 09-21-2017, 03:24 PM
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1. It is not Absolute Sound, but Robert Harley, from whom I bought his first audiophile book back in 1994. A foundation you may have missed.

2. I keep the TONE of the sourced material through the Inspire LP-27's PRE outs going directly to my SUB. There is no filtering in that signal. This blends perfectly with the amp's high-passed full range signal which itself preserves that TONE at those higher frequencies.

3. The nominal low-end spec in the mains is usually the lowest frequency from an actual roll-off that starts much earlier, so you are already missing much of the assumed 50Hz-up from your mains as it is.

4. I was very surprised to hear my amp develop such dynamics and finesse, as I had never heard it do that before the filtering thing, in spite of its great sound out of the box.

5. I assume your position would also preclude you from replacing CAPS, or the like, not to "affect" the original setup. I bet you also believe 1's and 0's are always the same ... Give me a break!

BTW, you keep arguing about the length of cables. I don't understand the relevance of that known fact in the context of the filtering setup I propose. The length of those filters is about a couple inches and these go at the end of existing RCA interconnects feeding the amp. The length of bass cables have nothing to do with this approach.

Finally, there are more sophisticated ways to filter low frequencies in support of better dynamics, headroom and the like in a flea-powered amp-based system which otherwise excels in low-to mid and high frequencies. The proposed simple, inexpensive and apparently non-intrusive filters are a very easy and affordable way of testing your preconceptions.

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Old 09-22-2017, 02:31 PM
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There are many misunderstandings by you of what I've posted so I'll try to clear some of them up, as hey…I'm a giver, and be warned I might involve what I call humor in this post. I test my mains speakers frequency response by listening to them…a test CD clearly shows where the bass diminishes, and an RT analyzer can also be implemented if one needs to. I'm not missing anything. Biamping, which is exactly what you propose, has been around a LONG time and not a revelatory concept regardless of Robert Harley's book which, indeed, I missed. The length of single ended cables to MY powered woofers in your described biamp scenario would be about 10 feet each (although when I tried this setup I used a much shorter cable as described in comments you claimed to not understand), and indeed have zero to do with the filters festooned to the power amp…more to do with noise and signal loss of long unbalanced cables, something I've dealt with professionally, personally, and in my role as a Master Gardener and mechanical watch collector. My point about the preamp signal going directly to the the subs was also missed, as I noted that a REL high level signal uses the signal from the POWER AMP, and thus the tone of same. My Fire Bottle is not the "flea watt" version, it's the 12 watt per side HO version which is likely using a couple of its watts when I listen at normal levels and has plenty of headroom, unlike an amp with 3 or 4 watts total…big difference there with finesse and dynamics for days. Assuming my position without paying attention to what I actually say seems like a waste of time for you, but I get it…you hear what you want to hear. Also note that I DID test your Filterpalooza concept (you missed that? really?) and found it not up to my standards as an active audio professional with ears of pure gold (maybe more like pewter but hey…I'm old). Thanks anyway for sharing your joy of discovering biamping, and I'm sure there are people out there in foreign lands or Los Angeles who will line up to join you in the Flea Watt with Filters campaign for Dynamics and Headroom (FWFCDAH). Soldier on!
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There are many misunderstandings by you of what I've posted so I'll try to clear some of them up, as hey…I'm a giver, and be warned I might involve what I call humor in this post. I test my mains speakers frequency response by listening to them…a test CD clearly shows where the bass diminishes, and an RT analyzer can also be implemented if one needs to. I'm not missing anything. Biamping, which is exactly what you propose, has been around a LONG time and not a revelatory concept regardless of Robert Harley's book which, indeed, I missed. The length of single ended cables to MY powered woofers in your described biamp scenario would be about 10 feet each (although when I tried this setup I used a much shorter cable as described in comments you claimed to not understand), and indeed have zero to do with the filters festooned to the power amp…more to do with noise and signal loss of long unbalanced cables, something I've dealt with professionally, personally, and in my role as a Master Gardener and mechanical watch collector. My point about the preamp signal going directly to the the subs was also missed, as I noted that a REL high level signal uses the signal from the POWER AMP, and thus the tone of same. My Fire Bottle is not the "flea watt" version, it's the 12 watt per side HO version which is likely using a couple of its watts when I listen at normal levels and has plenty of headroom, unlike an amp with 3 or 4 watts total…big difference there with finesse and dynamics for days. Assuming my position without paying attention to what I actually say seems like a waste of time for you, but I get it…you hear what you want to hear. Also note that I DID test your Filterpalooza concept (you missed that? really?) and found it not up to my standards as an active audio professional with ears of pure gold (maybe more like pewter but hey…I'm old). Thanks anyway for sharing your joy of discovering biamping, and I'm sure there are people out there in foreign lands or Los Angeles who will line up to join you in the Flea Watt with Filters campaign for Dynamics and Headroom (FWFCDAH). Soldier on!
You know, I'm European, and for someone with such a Latin American last name, you are very derisive in your lousy comments. Get a life and get away from my posts!

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Wgarcia.......

Musica Amantem.......


Guys, this is not AK, WBF, or some other forum where this tone is routinely tolerated. This is Audio Aficionado, the Friendly Forum for High-End Audio. I have been reading this back and forth barb throwing for a couple days now and it has reached the point where it needs to stop. This is not how our members demonstrate respect for differing opinions.

The ultimate control of content on this forum is in the hands of the forum administrators. I suggest you two agree to disagree if necessary and drop the masquerading digs, barbs, and personal attacks. I can do a thread cleanup much faster than you two can continue this sparing match, and I can carry it to a more restrictive level if push comes to shove. Kindly adjust the manner in which you are communicating on this forum. Consider this a one time friendly warning to both of you.
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You're absolutely right. Although I was not the one who started all this. I won't reply to this person anymore. Thanks for your patience.
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You're absolutely right. Although I was not the one who started all this. I won't reply to this person anymore. Thanks for your patience.
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