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Old 06-18-2016, 01:14 AM
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The myth that the AR-15 is a "sporting" weapon is a giant "whopper" put forward by the gun manufacturers -- successfully.

Saying it over and over again does not make it true. Just ask Generals Patraeus and McChrsytal.
It depends on the variant. The heavy fluted barrel versions can be scoped for varmint use. The Remington .223 round was originally developed for varmint use. The military version of this round (5.56mm NATO) packs more powder to give it greater muzzle velocity for anti personnel applications. In the Midwest and Western states people use ARs to dispatch prairie dogs and of the like on their farms at long distance, sometimes with a bipod.
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Old 06-18-2016, 01:17 AM
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This is obviously a very sensitive topic, but I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would want a semi-automatic assault rifle for self-protection!

From the perspective of someone living in another country; we don't understand the obsession with guns in America and i personally cannot believe that anybody can legally just go and buy a assault rifle.

I live in South-Africa, and believe me ; it a more dangerous place than any city in America, yet our guns controls are so tight that it is basically impossible to buy a handgun.

Surely there should be a greater responsibility from a legal standpoint in the type of weapons that is available to the public. Yes, every citizen should have the right to purchase a gun for protection, but there should be a line somewhere or much, much better screening. At the very least there should be higher age restrictions for weapons such as assault rifles

Hope this is not deemed political, just the perspective of an outsider!
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Old 06-18-2016, 01:19 AM
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Serge.......Getting back to the original topic, the civilian AR15 is just a semiautomatic rifle. There are plenty of other semiautomatic magazine fed rifles that can deliver equally devastating and rapid firepower like the AR15 but haven't been demonized as "assault rifles" because they are not patterned after the military M16 and M4 full-auto military rifles. To me, all rifles are assault rifles when they are pointed at another human being. The very nature of pointing a deadly weapon at someone else makes it an assault weapon whether its a rifle or a handgun.

As for sporting and personal defense in the home, I think the AR15 is effective for both situations. Shooting the AR15 at the range is fun. There are lots of folks at the range with AR15's. As a personal self defense weapon all one has to do is look at the police force when they need firepower. They are not breaking out single shot lever action .22 rifles when things get dangerous. The extra fire power a 30 round magazine provides can be essential to survival. I like the AR15 platform. It is a solid and reliable semiautomatic rifle, easy to shoot, and lethal.
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This is obviously a very sensitive topic, but I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would want a semi-automatic assault rifle for self-protection!

From the perspective of someone living in another country; we don't understand the obsession with guns in America and i personally cannot believe that anybody can legally just go and buy a assault rifle.

I live in South-Africa, and believe me ; it a more dangerous place than any city in America, yet our guns controls are so tight that it is basically impossible to buy a handgun.

Surely there should be a greater responsibility from a legal standpoint in the type of weapons that is available to the public. Yes, every citizen should have the right to purchase a gun for protection, but there should be a line somewhere or much, much better screening. At the very least there should be higher age restrictions for weapons such as assault rifles

Hope this is not deemed political, just the perspective of an outsider!
America gained its independence with a rag tag group of militias thrown together and led by George Washington upon the authorization by the Continental Congress. Because frontiersmen were armed, they had the means to fight a military struggle against the British Army and loyalists albeit at a disadvantage on paper. Out of this came the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution proposing the idea that the citizenry can overthrow the government if it acts against the will of the people. The century following the revolution saw Americans settle a continent with guns and wagons. This was just a few generations ago. For better or for worse, guns are part of American culture because of the history of this people. Someone who has not lived here in the States will have a hard time understanding this part of American life.

I know a lot of gun owners, and the vast majority of them are highly rational, professional people with above average incomes. They are very civic minded and actively participate in the local communities to help people at various levels. They are far from being hostile and insecure, nor are they a bunch of bumpkins. The stigma often portrayed is unfair in my mind.
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Old 06-18-2016, 01:49 AM
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Ylee...thanks for the insight. It is sad when a few loonies spoil it for responsible people. I am going to read the 2nd amendment, just to get more clarification,
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Australia used to suffer mass shootings using automatic weapons like the AR15 until the government cracked down on them, by banning them. Since Port Arthur there has been exactly zero mass shootings using weapons like this.

I agree the ban did stop lawful owners having some fun at the range or chasing piggies around the paddock but we saved countless lives by agreeing to the ban.

There is much more I could say but its pointless, especially on AA where moderation is quite heavy handed.

I just hope that you guys all make a decision soon thats based on common sense about the types of guns a person may own before more innocent people lose their lives.

You can defend yourself using a glock 9 etc..., but there is no place for guns designed for war nlike the AR15, SKS etc.. in the home.

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This is a complex and emotional issue, and not entirely in the spirit of AA topics.
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"For better or for worse, guns are part of American culture because of the history of this people. Someone who has not lived here in the States will have a hard time understanding this part of American life"

Ylee...I thought Gary Cooper, John Wayne, James Steward, Henry Fonda, Gregory Peck, Clint Eastwood , and Charles Bronson had more to to with gun culture in America

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For better or for worse, guns are part of American culture because of the history of this people. Someone who has not lived here in the States will have a hard time understanding this part of American life.
Such a rediculously statement ! It's like saying "who has not lived here is the US IS AN IDIOT and could not understand the American life". Guns have existed way before the US were even on the map, 13th century or so.

Anyway, my point here is not whether one should own (war) guns in their home or not, it's the viral video above has nothing to do with Guns and Sports but a Gut-Wrenching Politicized Propaganda video. If you want to hear such propaganda on daily basis, listen to Rush Limbaugh or open a Rush L. link on AA with a link to his radio station.

The topic should stay but video should go !
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Against my better judgement I'll throw in two cents.

I totally get that there are many gun owners who are responsible and careful, that their ownership is for self defense and that it has saved them before.

However, let's accept at face value for the sake of discussion the analyses which show that a gun in the home is more often misused in a domestic abuse, suicide, argument ender, etc than for self defense. That means it's like Casino gambling. You might win, but odds are most will lose.
I wonder why most gun owners feel their gun will be used only to save them if the data shows it's more likely to bring them or someone they love harm?

My own related experience was my Dad had a 45 in his night table drawer for defense for many years. The only time it was sought was when he developed dementia and my mom and ultimately the police had to wrestle it away. We were lucky that time nobody was shot.
I'd wager this kind of experience is more common than gun owners expect.

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