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Old 09-11-2017, 09:02 PM
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In reality, this is what happens. I still don't see how a shadow can travel West to East during a Solar Eclipse.


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Old 09-11-2017, 09:04 PM
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The scale is so badly off in those GIFs that what is really happening is obscured.

Look at this one. They guy with the crayons explained it best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aQR2fz-Vs0

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Old 09-11-2017, 09:14 PM
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The scale is so badly off in those GIFs that what is really happening is obscured.

Look at this one. They guy with the crayons explained it best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aQR2fz-Vs0
Yes, I understood the concept or at least what the point being made is from the first video you posted. This is the same idea. While I can't disprove this is what is going on, it does not seem very logical to me. Again, it would take 14 days for the Moon to cross the sky if the Earth stood still! How does that not "throw a shadow" on this explanation??? The Moon's orbital speed as impressive at it sounds, does not jive with the fact it would take 14 days to cross the sky and this explanation!
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Forget the 14 days. That number really doesn't matter.

Just see the crayon guy's video until it makes sense. That's the best I have found.
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Forget the 14 days. That number really doesn't matter.

Just see the crayon guy's video until it makes sense. That's the best I have found.
I have not had much faith in crayon models since the kindergarten days.
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Logic still tells me that if the Solar Eclipse was moving West to East , it would mean the moon would have to orbit/move much faster than the Earth's rotation considering the Moon is much, much closer to Earth than the Sun. Since we know that is not the case, that the Moon actually lags the Earth by a wide margin, so much so that it takes 27 days to make a full orbit around the Earth and the Moon is relatively speaking much closer to Earth, the whole thing is very confusing.

If we visualize a model of the Sun being 92,955,828 miles away and the moon is only 238,855 miles from Earth, how much of an ARC would the Moon have to make in a short time to lead the Earth and cast a shadow West to East??? Sorry NASA, I just don't buy it.


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Old 09-11-2017, 10:22 PM
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Ask a scientist why the Vacuum of Space will not suck our atmosphere right off? Gravity?

Oh, it is because vacuum does not suck. Gravity has very little to do with it. While gravity is most certainly a real thing, the answer to this question is not “because gravity is stronger"

Suck air out of a box and poke a hole in it. Vacuum will not suck the air in, the air will rush in to fill the empty space.

Ok, great, Vacuum does not suck.

Ok, how about the atmosphere not rushing out to fill the empty vacuum of space???

Oh, it's because the Gravity pulls on the atmosphere... In fact, gravity is the reason we have air pressure in the first place. Gravity pulls on the atmosphere, compressing it, and creating pressure.

I thought you just said gravity has little to do with anything relating to atmosphere...

Crickets....

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Fascinating stuff folks. Here we are discussing all kinds of interesting topics on the internet from all corners of our country, our globe (flat firmament?) the whole time spinning at 1,000 miles per hour, rushing through space in an orbit around the sun, 600,000,000 miles in diameter at 66,000 miles per hour while our sun and the rest of Milky Way is hurtling through the vastness of the universe at speeds of 1,300,000 miles per hour and this has been going on for billions of years. And all this from a singularity of infinite density which got superheated and spewed out into the universe Billions of Galaxies with Billions of Stars in each of them and planets around many of the stars expressed in numbers for which we probably don't even have a name made up yet. Almost sounds like a fascinating fairy tale.

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This gif is way out of scale.

If you count the revolutions, the earth is rotating only 7 times per revolution of the moon. It should be 27 and the relative distances are way off.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:13 PM
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Fascinating stuff folks. Here we are discussing all kinds of interesting topics on the internet from all corners of our country, our globe (flat firmament?) the whole time spinning at 1,000 miles per hour, rushing through space in an orbit around the sun, 600,000,000 miles in diameter at 66,000 miles per hour while our sun and the rest of Milky Way is hurtling through the vastness of the universe at speeds of 1,300,000 miles per hour and this has been going on for billions of years. And all this from a singularity of infinite density which got superheated and spewed out into the universe Billions of Galaxies with Billions of Stars in each of them and planets around many of the stars expressed in numbers for which we probably don't even have a name made up yet. Almost sounds like a fascinating fairy tale.
So where did it come from?

The earth's orbit around the sum is about 93,000,000 in diameter or about 300,000,000 in circumference. The stars and galaxies are moving at for us earthlings, a very fast rate.

You should see Lawrence Krauss' and Neil Tyson's youtube videos and see their books.

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