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Old 09-03-2017, 02:48 PM
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Default Boulder vs D'Agostino

I've been considering an amplifier upgrade for a while, and am now in a position to pull it off. I currently have a Linn Klimax DSM running via balanced cables to a Linn Klimax Twin amp. The Klimax DSM is a keeper, shortly being upgraded to their latest Katalyst DAC architecture, but the amp will be the weak link. The options I've been looking at are the D'Agostino Momentum stereo and Boulder 1160, both of which are available relatively locally. There's a lot of info out there on the Momentum, but not so much on the Boulder. I'm trying to arrange home auditions, but it may take a while because of logistics and the dealers both have the monos, not the stereo. I can listen to both at the dealers, but unfortunately they're different dealers with different systems, and neither has higher end SF speakers available.

Does anyone have any experience with the Boulder, either this new model or its predecessor the 1060? Or anyone have experience with both Boulder and D'Ag, especially with Sonus Faber speakers? Any thoughts on one vs the other?

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Old 09-03-2017, 05:36 PM
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When you get either one, can I come over and listen?
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Old 09-03-2017, 05:53 PM
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I have heard 1060 and Dags but at different dealers though through Wilson's but different Wilson's... If that makes any sense.

Hahahah

Dag through Alexia. 1060 into Maxx3.

Would be difficult to compare.
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Old 09-03-2017, 05:56 PM
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When you get either one, can I come over and listen?


Sure, you'd be welcome, whether I get one of these or not
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I have heard 1060 and Dags but at different dealers though through Wilson's but different Wilson's... If that makes any sense.

Hahahah

Dag through Alexia. 1060 into Maxx3.

Would be difficult to compare.


Thanks Joey - and did you like either of them?
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Personal audio: Woo Audio WA6, WA7 & WA8; Auralic Aries Mini, Sonore MicroRendu & UltraRendu, A&K AK100 II, AKG Q701, Shure SE535, Shure SH1540, Westone ES50 Custom, Sennheiser HD800, MrSpeakers Aeon Flow C, Various Moon Audio dragons
2nd system: Luxman SQ-N100, PSB Imagine Mini, REL T-5, refurbished AR XA w/Nagaoka MP-200 & VPI cabling, Linn Klimax DSM Renew, Shunyata Venom PS8 w/Defender & Viper, Nordost Blue Heaven power & IC, Acoustic Zen sc, Symposium Svelte Shelves
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Video: Sony XBR65X850C; Apple TV-4; Vienna Acoustics Schönberg L/R, Webern center & surrounds; REL T1/T2/T3 subs; Arcam AVR850; Cambridge Audio 752BD; MIT-EXP SC

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D'Ag fan here, Boulder not so much.
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D'Ag fan here, Boulder not so much.


Thanks Ivan, any particular reason? What don't you like about the Boulder?
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Personal audio: Woo Audio WA6, WA7 & WA8; Auralic Aries Mini, Sonore MicroRendu & UltraRendu, A&K AK100 II, AKG Q701, Shure SE535, Shure SH1540, Westone ES50 Custom, Sennheiser HD800, MrSpeakers Aeon Flow C, Various Moon Audio dragons
2nd system: Luxman SQ-N100, PSB Imagine Mini, REL T-5, refurbished AR XA w/Nagaoka MP-200 & VPI cabling, Linn Klimax DSM Renew, Shunyata Venom PS8 w/Defender & Viper, Nordost Blue Heaven power & IC, Acoustic Zen sc, Symposium Svelte Shelves
Workshop: Vintage Yamaha CA-1010 amp & CT-1010 tuner, Martin Logan Motion 4, Squeezebox Touch, Schiit BiFrost, AZ & WW cables
Video: Sony XBR65X850C; Apple TV-4; Vienna Acoustics Schönberg L/R, Webern center & surrounds; REL T1/T2/T3 subs; Arcam AVR850; Cambridge Audio 752BD; MIT-EXP SC
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Thanks Ivan, any particular reason? What don't you like about the Boulder?
I have listened to them on two separate occasions, both times with Wilson XLF's.

I'll sum it up with one word; Sterile.
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I'll sum it up with one word; Sterile.


Thanks, that's very helpful.
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Main system: Linn Klimax Katalyst DSM; D’Agostino Momentum S250 amp & HD preamp; Rega RP10 w/Rega Aphelion; Boulder 508; Sonus Faber Amati Futura; Shunyata Denali 6000T, Alpha NR & EF power, Ztron Cobra IC & SC; Quadraspire Sunoko-Vent T, ISOAcoustics Orea footers, HRS Damping Plates; SonicTransporter i7 & Synology DS412+; Audio Desk Pro
Personal audio: Woo Audio WA6, WA7 & WA8; Auralic Aries Mini, Sonore MicroRendu & UltraRendu, A&K AK100 II, AKG Q701, Shure SE535, Shure SH1540, Westone ES50 Custom, Sennheiser HD800, MrSpeakers Aeon Flow C, Various Moon Audio dragons
2nd system: Luxman SQ-N100, PSB Imagine Mini, REL T-5, refurbished AR XA w/Nagaoka MP-200 & VPI cabling, Linn Klimax DSM Renew, Shunyata Venom PS8 w/Defender & Viper, Nordost Blue Heaven power & IC, Acoustic Zen sc, Symposium Svelte Shelves
Workshop: Vintage Yamaha CA-1010 amp & CT-1010 tuner, Martin Logan Motion 4, Squeezebox Touch, Schiit BiFrost, AZ & WW cables
Video: Sony XBR65X850C; Apple TV-4; Vienna Acoustics Schönberg L/R, Webern center & surrounds; REL T1/T2/T3 subs; Arcam AVR850; Cambridge Audio 752BD; MIT-EXP SC
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